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Quote: Well, for the last year or so SWAPA has been conducting polls on every single section of the CBA and then using the results to write language for Contract 2020.

In the meantime the strike preparedness committee was never stood down. Instead they have been participating in informational picketing at other carriers including JetBlue and Spirit - arguably learning what works and what doesn’t.

The communications committee has been creating new channels including electronic and paper Reporting Points and Negotiating Point.

The association has been building relationships with other unions by hosting an annual independent pilots union conference in Dallas last year. Another is scheduled for October this year.

The SWAPA President, a known firebrand, is eligible for one more term which will carry him into the 2020 negotiation cycle. He isn’t likely to become LESS aggressive during that time.

The company still has yet to embark on any interline or codeshare relationships. Once they do they will likely look to ‘tweak’ the CBA language in order to match their business plans.

Now looking outside of SWA, American and United both have massive retirements that will occur in the next decade. American has stated they don’t even have the training capacity to fill the vacancies. The resulting upward movement will create astonishing training floats at AA, requiring unprecedented hiring. To meet that need, they have pioneered flow through programs with a number of regionals. Their efforts have been duplicated with regional partners at United and Delta. Even Frontier recently started a flow through relationship with Trans States. JetBlue is still building their “zero to hero” program.

So the question I might ask if I were a recruiter is, “What does a largely domestic operator of only 737s - one who is below industry standard in compensation, Retirement, and benefits - have to offer a potential pilot candidate that will entice them to leave behind their ‘cradle to grave’ career path with one of the legacies and come to work here?” Even if everything else were equal those other carriers offer choices that WN never could. Widebodies airplanes to worldwide destinations. Pay scales that far outpace 737 rates on their larger aircraft.

The challenge for the company will be figuring out how to recruit and retain pilots in the face of all of this competition to recruit and retain pilots. Even absent any negotiations at all, I believe they’ll have to figure out ways to sweeten the pot. What will that look like? Who knows. Space positive commuting? Live wherever you want? More money? More time off? Who knows... but what I DO know, is that the supply and demand curve is firmly in our favor when it comes to negotiating improvements in 2020. The only thing that could put the brakes on would be a catastrophic event that stunts the air travel market at large.

Just the opinion of one industry observer.




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Great post [emoji106]
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What do you think the % is of the pilot group reviewing the education material being presented in the S-E-P cycle?
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Quote: Although reserves can’t be JAd. During the summer, that ain’t nothing!


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Semantics (sorta). Yeah, you won’t get JAd at home, but they aren’t shy about the “unscheduled overnight” which certainly feels like a JA with another name. Usually happens right before the last leg home going through a base. They will call and reroute you to an overnight and an additional day.
Good news is you can have them pull another reserve day (without pay) later.
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Quote: What do you think the % is of the pilot group reviewing the education material being presented in the S-E-P cycle?
I'd put that number at around 16%.
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Yeah. I think I’m the definition of “self selection bias”. I take every single poll and look forward to the next one. [emoji23]


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Quote: Well, for the last year or so SWAPA has been conducting polls on every single section of the CBA and then using the results to write language for Contract 2020.

In the meantime the strike preparedness committee was never stood down. Instead they have been participating in informational picketing at other carriers including JetBlue and Spirit - arguably learning what works and what doesn’t.

The communications committee has been creating new channels including electronic and paper Reporting Points and Negotiating Point.

The association has been building relationships with other unions by hosting an annual independent pilots union conference in Dallas last year. Another is scheduled for October this year.

The SWAPA President, a known firebrand, is eligible for one more term which will carry him into the 2020 negotiation cycle. He isn’t likely to become LESS aggressive during that time.

The company still has yet to embark on any interline or codeshare relationships. Once they do they will likely look to ‘tweak’ the CBA language in order to match their business plans.

Now looking outside of SWA, American and United both have massive retirements that will occur in the next decade. American has stated they don’t even have the training capacity to fill the vacancies. The resulting upward movement will create astonishing training floats at AA, requiring unprecedented hiring. To meet that need, they have pioneered flow through programs with a number of regionals. Their efforts have been duplicated with regional partners at United and Delta. Even Frontier recently started a flow through relationship with Trans States. JetBlue is still building their “zero to hero” program.

So the question I might ask if I were a recruiter is, “What does a largely domestic operator of only 737s - one who is below industry standard in compensation, Retirement, and benefits - have to offer a potential pilot candidate that will entice them to leave behind their ‘cradle to grave’ career path with one of the legacies and come to work here?” Even if everything else were equal those other carriers offer choices that WN never could. Widebodies airplanes to worldwide destinations. Pay scales that far outpace 737 rates on their larger aircraft.

The challenge for the company will be figuring out how to recruit and retain pilots in the face of all of this competition to recruit and retain pilots. Even absent any negotiations at all, I believe they’ll have to figure out ways to sweeten the pot. What will that look like? Who knows. Space positive commuting? Live wherever you want? More money? More time off? Who knows... but what I DO know, is that the supply and demand curve is firmly in our favor when it comes to negotiating improvements in 2020. The only thing that could put the brakes on would be a catastrophic event that stunts the air travel market at large.

Just the opinion of one industry observer.




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I'm not on here very much, but this is a spot on post!

I must admit though, when I came to SWA it was the highest paying narrow body gig in the industry however, that is not what drew me to SWA. I know everyone spouts that "past precedent is no indication of future performance" but what else do we have to go on?

I was drawn to SWA because it had the best balance sheet in the industry. I was drawn to SWA because it had 30+ years of profitability. I was drawn to SWA because I thought it had the best business model to withstand an economic downturn. I was drawn to SWA because I viewed it to have the best "career long" viability in the industry.

I think a lot of folks still choose SWA for some of these reasons over potentially larger shorter term gains at other carriers. However, one must weigh positives and negatives. I'm not sure how long SWA will tip the scales greatly enough to lure future pilot candidates!
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Quote: So the question I might ask if I were a recruiter is, “What does a largely domestic operator of only 737s - one who is below industry standard in compensation, Retirement, and benefits - have to offer a potential pilot candidate that will entice them to leave behind their ‘cradle to grave’ career path with one of the legacies and come to work here?”
Easy, base seniority.
System senority doesn't matter if the equipment or base is 1,000 miles from your house.
There are plenty of SW bases that are in the same towns as legacy bases, and offer a much quicker path to a line with 15 days off, I would think.
If I have flow to AA in less than 3 years you think I should wait, or take a job at SW in the next 6 months?
I don't look at it as giving up a 777 job in my 60's, I look at it as getting to 150k a year as fast as possible and holding it for as long as possible.
I would be interested to learn what 3 years at SW gets you in ATL, DAL, HOU, vs legacys. I could be wrong, but I'am guessing higher base senority in at least 2 of those towns.
When you leavin a regional with small kids, and a working spouse, what you get to operate when your grandkids are on the way doesn't rank very high on the priority list. I am not intending to be short sighted, but a balance has to be determined.
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Quote: Easy, base seniority.
System senority doesn't matter if the equipment or base is 1,000 miles from your house.
There are plenty of SW bases that are in the same towns as legacy bases, and offer a much quicker path to a line with 15 days off, I would think.
If I have flow to AA in less than 3 years you think I should wait, or take a job at SW in the next 6 months?
I don't look at it as giving up a 777 job in my 60's, I look at it as getting to 150k a year as fast as possible and holding it for as long as possible.
I would be interested to learn what 3 years at SW gets you in ATL, DAL, HOU, vs legacys. I could be wrong, but I'am guessing higher base senority in at least 2 of those towns.
When you leavin a regional with small kids, and a working spouse, what you get to operate when your grandkids are on the way doesn't rank very high on the priority list. I am not intending to be short sighted, but a balance has to be determined.
I'm a late 2015 hire and here's where I am at 2.5 yrs seniority system wide:

ATL 93%
BWI 60%
DAL 62%
DEN 63%
HOU 57%
LAS 60%
MCO 73%
MDW 62%
OAK 56%
PHX 59%

I'm also 1850 from the most jr CA with 970 FO's ahead of me bypassing.

I'm DEN based and would be 85% at UAL on the 737.
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SWA Hourly rate conversion
That’s a neat exercise. Let’s take a look.

I’m an early 2014 hire. About 4.5 years in.

ATL 90%
BWI 51%
DAL 45%
DEN 47%
HOU 42%
LAS 46%
MCO 66%
MDW 52%
OAK 38%
PHX 44%

If we project an annual growth of the seniority list at about 7% (roughly 650 pilots per year) I’d hit 60% in early 2021 shortly over 7 years on the property. The most junior Captain today sits at about 61.6%.


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Quote: That’s a neat exercise. Let’s take a look.

I’m an early 2014 hire. About 4.5 years in.

ATL 90%
BWI 51%
DAL 45%
DEN 47%
HOU 42%
LAS 46%
MCO 66%
MDW 52%
OAK 38%
PHX 44%

If we project an annual growth of the seniority list at about 7% (roughly 650 pilots) I’d hit 60% in early 2021 shortly over 7 years on the property. The most junior Captain today sits at about 61.6%.


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Well they were projecting that the 2016 new hires would be looking at a 6 year upgrade. (Given it’s the airlines, a little ripple in the economy, terrorist attack, age 67, all bets off).
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