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ackeight 02-01-2020 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2969220)
Complete hogwash.



So because we fly more legs/day/airframe and have a high block/leg you think we don’t need more pilots? Let’s have a constructive conversation.

ackeight 02-01-2020 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 2969249)
we all do if you read the info the union puts out.

were going into negotiations and guys are bosting of how we make more tha we do, premium, and how it will all be gravy again. Just like how we negotiated last co tract at the going rate of 108tfp/month when guarantee is 89tfp.

come on guys dont sell yourself short already.



I don’t see why we can’t have the best rate and the best opportunity to more. I feel like the longer we see green bars on the schedule and struggle to make more like we used to guys who “run to ta1” won’t be as high as some think.

SlipKid 02-01-2020 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by ackeight (Post 2969402)
I don’t see why we can’t have the best rate and the best opportunity to more. I feel like the longer we see green bars on the schedule and struggle to make more like we used to guys who “run to ta1” won’t be as high as some think.

LOL.....

We can't have the best rates because 85% of your co workers don't want them, and that's been proven time and again over the last quarter century.

ackeight 02-02-2020 05:08 AM

Rates of Pay
 
I’m confident that the 2000 we have added since the last contract will be a collective benefit to your concerns. We have been more educated than ever before with SWAPA sending out a of great information.

Do we need better rates? Yes, but we don’t need the highest rates to make most happy. We need to fix lots of other things like disability/health insurance, chopped up trips and reserve Manning. Technology and language to reduce JA’s and unscheduled overnights along with a host over other things that aren’t pay rate related. My point is if we sign our Ta before the others and have “caught up” or pass, but then they sign and go +5% over us will people be angry here? Yes, but if we get other wins I don’t see a problem.

MudhammedCJ 02-02-2020 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by ackeight (Post 2969512)
I’m confident that the 2000 we have added since the last contract will be a collective benefit to your concerns. We have been more educated than ever before with SWAPA sending out a of great information.

Do we need better rates? Yes, but we don’t need the highest rates to make most happy. We need to fix lots of other things like disability/health insurance, chopped up trips and reserve Manning. Technology and language to reduce JA’s and unscheduled overnights along with a host over other things that aren’t pay rate related. My point is if we sign our Ta before the others and have “caught up” or pass, but then they sign and go +5% over us will people be angry here? Yes, but if we get other wins I don’t see a problem.

And that is exactly why Show me an airline more successful than SW since its inception. Why shouldn't we be highest paid? Look at at least 3 other work groups here that are. And some by a huge margin.

SlipKid 02-02-2020 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by ackeight (Post 2969512)
I’m confident that the 2000 we have added since the last contract will be a collective benefit to your concerns. We have been more educated than ever before with SWAPA sending out a of great information.

Do we need better rates? Yes, but we don’t need the highest rates to make most happy. We need to fix lots of other things like disability/health insurance, chopped up trips and reserve Manning. Technology and language to reduce JA’s and unscheduled overnights along with a host over other things that aren’t pay rate related. My point is if we sign our Ta before the others and have “caught up” or pass, but then they sign and go +5% over us will people be angry here? Yes, but if we get other wins I don’t see a problem.

Never fear, most of your fellow pilots here don't want to fix non pay related, sub industry standard things either.

ZapBrannigan 02-02-2020 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by ackeight (Post 2969512)
I’m confident that the 2000 we have added since the last contract will be a collective benefit to your concerns. We have been more educated than ever before with SWAPA sending out a of great information.

Do we need better rates? Yes, but we don’t need the highest rates to make most happy. We need to fix lots of other things like disability/health insurance, chopped up trips and reserve Manning. Technology and language to reduce JA’s and unscheduled overnights along with a host over other things that aren’t pay rate related. My point is if we sign our Ta before the others and have “caught up” or pass, but then they sign and go +5% over us will people be angry here? Yes, but if we get other wins I don’t see a problem.



I actually agree with this 100%.


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hockey916 02-02-2020 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by ackeight (Post 2969512)
I’m confident that the 2000 we have added since the last contract will be a collective benefit to your concerns. We have been more educated than ever before with SWAPA sending out a of great information.

Do we need better rates? Yes, but we don’t need the highest rates to make most happy. We need to fix lots of other things like disability/health insurance, chopped up trips and reserve Manning. Technology and language to reduce JA’s and unscheduled overnights along with a host over other things that aren’t pay rate related. My point is if we sign our Ta before the others and have “caught up” or pass, but then they sign and go +5% over us will people be angry here? Yes, but if we get other wins I don’t see a problem.


I agree all the other stuff is more important than top paid. But I’m constantly told we are the best 737 pilots in the world. Then pay us like we are! Don’t forget to include the snap up clause. Delta, United or American pay +1!

ackeight 02-02-2020 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by hockey916 (Post 2969607)
I agree all the other stuff is more important than top paid. But I’m constantly told we are the best 737 pilots in the world. Then pay us like we are! Don’t forget to include the snap up clause. Delta, United or American pay +1!



Sometimes the best aren’t paid the most. There needs to be Tom Brady’s in the world. [emoji38]

flensr 02-02-2020 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by ackeight (Post 2969750)
Sometimes the best aren’t paid the most. There needs to be Tom Brady’s in the world. [emoji38]

Tom Brady makes more in a weekend than I'll make my entire life, so yea, we need more of those guys :)


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