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e6bpilot 05-31-2020 02:22 PM

Upside - flying cargo only flights with our own metal. More revenue opportunities for the company, more flying opportunities for SWAPA pilots.

Downside - chips away at our section 1. They are awarding and running these as charter flights, which generally go very senior, so no direct benefit to 85 percent of the list.

I am a yes. In the balance of things right now, this could be a good opportunity. Knowing SWA and how long it takes them to do anything new, I highly doubt they will get their act together in time to make a significant impact. If it keeps even one pilot gainfully employed, then it is worth it. It's a concession but relatively harmless.

at6d 06-01-2020 01:08 AM

Thankfully it expires.

RJSAviator76 06-01-2020 04:59 AM

Not sure I see it as necessarily chipping away at Section 1. This is for the additional flying done by SWAPA pilots on Southwest Airlines seniority list for Southwest Airlines. My objections are and always will be if anyone other than SWAPA pilots on Southwest Airlines seniority list do the flying for Southwest Airlines.

It's a double-edged sword in how it gets implemented. I personally don't have a gripe in labeling it as charter and paid as such. I don't think these will be as screaming deals as people think.

Skyward 06-01-2020 06:27 AM

I voted yes. It’s more flying for SWAPA pilots

Smooth at FL450 06-01-2020 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3067837)
Upside - flying cargo only flights with our own metal. More revenue opportunities for the company, more flying opportunities for SWAPA pilots.

Downside - chips away at our section 1. They are awarding and running these as charter flights, which generally go very senior, so no direct benefit to 85 percent of the list.

I am a yes. In the balance of things right now, this could be a good opportunity. Knowing SWA and how long it takes them to do anything new, I highly doubt they will get their act together in time to make a significant impact. If it keeps even one pilot gainfully employed, then it is worth it. It's a concession but relatively harmless.

how does it chip away at section 1? This flying isn’t being outsourced...

e6bpilot 06-01-2020 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3068174)
how does it chip away at section 1? This flying isn’t being outsourced...


Our section 1 includes cargo flights. If cargo only flights are conducted, we get a reopener. That's the whole reason for the MOU.

BZC17 06-01-2020 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3068175)
Our section 1 includes cargo flights. If cargo only flights are conducted, we get a reopener. That's the whole reason for the MOU.

To add onto this. We are selling low due to the current economic environment (with the hope of no furlough). In any other environment we would ask for pay rate increase, grievances complied with and/or built cargo lines. Short term benefit is a way for swa to get quick cash. Long term cost to the pilot group is unknown.

hoover 06-01-2020 10:01 AM

I think people should look at this as if we are at full schedule, as is proposed by year end, rather than as a way to stave off furlough .
we've given them everything they wanted in the last few months under the guise of saving the company and now they put out a full schedule guaranteeing no furloughs.
I like the idea of cargo but I also think there are reasons we put reopeners in the contract.
the one year expiration is a good idea and maybe one that allows the company to get used to it then we get something the next time, however, quid pro quo has not happened in a long while. Ie: 800, max, hindsight, ETO etc

Squallrider 06-01-2020 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by BZC17 (Post 3068336)
To add onto this. We are selling low due to the current economic environment (with the hope of no furlough). In any other environment we would ask for pay rate increase, grievances complied with and/or built cargo lines. Short term benefit is a way for swa to get quick cash. Long term cost to the pilot group is unknown.

it expires after a year

BZC17 06-01-2020 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 3068449)
it expires after a year

Yeah, I’ll own that. We are still giving something up while receiving nothing in return. Not a great way to bargain. Not being militant, just an observation.


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