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Smooth at FL450 06-01-2020 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by Precontact (Post 3068620)
Any idea how these schedules will look? Is it along the lines of existing city pairs or some ad-hoc destinations? Sounds like a good plan.

No idea. They'll be built as charter flights and run through the open time system. Only requirements is that the trip starts and finishes in a crew base. In between, depends where the cargo is and where it's going.

e6bpilot 06-01-2020 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3068611)
Does today's ExTO/VSP offer count as a gesture of good will? A legitimate effort to avoid furloughs? I've yet to hear from anyone that's not more than surprised by the offer and it seems there will be a lot of takers.


My best guess - it was a decision based on the number of pilots SWA thinks it is going to need x number of years from now. They had some choices. They really didn't want to furlough and so they looked for the least expensive option that would allow them to right size their manning without furlough. They weighed this vs the hard to quantify factor of doing right by its people and how that may pay off later down the road and came up with a number that they were willing to live with.
I am actually impressed and somewhat surprised. They overmanned the airline a couple of years ago on purpose and they are owning the decision in a very smart way. They are trimming the expensive fat off the top and getting flight ops back to being an efficient open market where it tends to thrive. The option to offer voluntary ETO that you can be recalled from is also smart. Now you don't have furloughs poisoning the well when it is time to recall.
It's about down to brass tacks and it looks like SWA is doing right by its people. It's a business decision that will, more than likely, pay dividends once demand returns, and it will.

BZC17 06-01-2020 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3068611)
Does today's ExTO/VSP offer count as a gesture of good will? A legitimate effort to avoid furloughs? I've yet to hear from anyone that's not more than surprised by the offer and it seems there will be a lot of takers.

I view them as two different business decisions. E6 hit the nail on the head with regards to manning. I was genuinely surprised at the ETO/VSP offering.

I have always believed there is a monetary value to being the only Major Carrier to not furlough. I think the company realizes this as well.

Smooth at FL450 06-01-2020 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3068630)
My best guess - it was a decision based on the number of pilots SWA thinks it is going to need x number of years from now. They had some choices. They really didn't want to furlough and so they looked for the least expensive option that would allow them to right size their manning without furlough. They weighed this vs the hard to quantify factor of doing right by its people and how that may pay off later down the road and came up with a number that they were willing to live with.
I am actually impressed and somewhat surprised. They overmanned the airline a couple of years ago on purpose and they are owning the decision in a very smart way. They are trimming the expensive fat off the top and getting flight ops back to being an efficient open market where it tends to thrive. The option to offer voluntary ETO that you can be recalled from is also smart. Now you don't have furloughs poisoning the well when it is time to recall.
It's about down to brass tacks and it looks like SWA is doing right by its people. It's a business decision that will, more than likely, pay dividends once demand returns, and it will.

Fully agreed. To me this offer shows just how much the company does not want to furlough.

WHACKMASTER 06-01-2020 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Precontact (Post 3068620)
Any idea how these schedules will look? Is it along the lines of existing city pairs or some ad-hoc destinations? Sounds like a good plan.

Yup. These schedules will feature such niceties as no PAX of FA drama. BRING IT!!!

C17B74 06-01-2020 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3068666)
Yup. These schedules will feature such niceties as no PAX of FA drama. BRING IT!!!

Jump all over it. Definitely not rubber dog crap out of Hong Kong with lite twins having no legs for it anyway, but the no PAX, FA stuff and door open should sell itself. That’s goodness right there.

sMFer 06-03-2020 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by C17B74 (Post 3068710)
Jump all over it. Definitely not rubber dog crap out of Hong Kong with lite twins having no legs for it anyway, but the no PAX, FA stuff and door open should sell itself. That’s goodness right there.


It’s all fun and games until I blow a slide.

C17B74 06-03-2020 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by sMFer (Post 3069818)
It’s all fun and games until I blow a slide.

Ha Ha So true. Unfortunately we have had one or more of those incidents on converted 74 freighters. At least the handle is torso height accessible for us older folk. 10s of thousands to repack is an issue... Good catch!

e6bpilot 06-04-2020 05:29 AM

I love flying ferries. No drama, no pretend niceties. Need to use the lav? Adios, you've got it all.
I learned to make my own coffee years and fetch my own cans of water early on. I'm good.

WHACKMASTER 06-04-2020 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3069867)
I love flying ferries. No drama, no pretend niceties. Need to use the lav? Adios, you've got it all.
I learned to make my own coffee years and fetch my own cans of water early on. I'm good.

Amen. I’d be okay with flying all ferries or cargo.


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