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Old 07-19-2020, 03:42 PM
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I had a USAF guy the other day tell me that the junior guys should just take the VSP so they're guaranteed five years of pay and it can't be rescinded if there's a furlough. Then they can "just get rehired" when things get better. As if it's that easy.

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I had a USAF guy the other day tell me that the junior guys should just take the VSP so they're guaranteed five years of pay and it can't be rescinded if there's a furlough. Then they can "just get rehired" when things get better. As if it's that easy.
Damn. Where are these guys when I need career/financial/marriage/life advise?
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Old 07-19-2020, 04:17 PM
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They’re basically paying people 67 trips (ExTO + VA + NEC) to stay home on ExTO. I’m getting 88 to work. I’m not voting to cut that 88 to closer to 67. If I wanted to get paid 67 I’d have stayed home.

No concessions from me. They can fire half of the VP’s if they want to save money.
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Originally Posted by flyguy81 View Post
They’re basically paying people 67 trips (ExTO + VA + NEC) to stay home on ExTO. I’m getting 88 to work. I’m not voting to cut that 88 to closer to 67. If I wanted to get paid 67 I’d have stayed home.

No concessions from me. They can fire half of the VP’s if they want to save money.
I get your point, but if you’re going to add VA + NEC to the ExTO numbers you have to add them to min guarantee numbers as well. An apples to apples comparison would be more like 100 to 67.
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Originally Posted by RckyMtHigh View Post
I get your point, but if you’re going to add VA + NEC to the ExTO numbers you have to add them to min guarantee numbers as well. An apples to apples comparison would be more like 100 to 67.
My last vacation paid 29.25. My LG bar was worth more. My monthly average isn’t 100 due to vacation. ExTo average is 67.
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Originally Posted by flyguy81 View Post
My last vacation paid 29.25. My LG bar was worth more. My monthly average isn’t 100 due to vacation. ExTo average is 67.
You add VA + NEC to the 55 trips ExTO pays to get 67 average. Why wouldn’t the same plus-up apply to someone flying min guarantee?
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Originally Posted by CA1900 View Post
I had a USAF guy the other day tell me that the junior guys should just take the VSP so they're guaranteed five years of pay and it can't be rescinded if there's a furlough. Then they can "just get rehired" when things get better. As if it's that easy.
And once again just another data point on the fact that the BIGGEST reason this place is so effed up in some ways is because the ex-AF “good $hits” kept hiring their “good $hit” “buds” who just like them had no prior Part 121 experience to know what is in the range of normal in the airline world. Instead the ODing on the Canyon Blue juice has continued. Fortunately, there’s an increasing percentage of the pilot group who have a perspective of “normal”. Most of them are not F-teeners.
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Anyway....talked to the CP on call at the NOC today. As far as VSP/ExTO:

- They are surprised at the number of pilots that submitted requests last minute and are feeling comfortable that they have enough voluntary leaves and early outs to not trigger any involuntary actions.

- The ratio of VSP to ExTO is better than a third and closer to a half, so that’s fantastic news if true.
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Anyway....talked to the CP on call at the NOC today. As far as VSP/ExTO:

- They are surprised at the number of pilots that submitted requests last minute and are feeling comfortable that they have enough voluntary leaves and early outs to not trigger any involuntary actions.

- The ratio of VSP to ExTO is better than a third and closer to a half, so that’s fantastic news if true.
That is all great news. Can’t wait to see the initial results tomorrow!
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