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ZapBrannigan 10-13-2020 03:46 AM

You know, nothing brings someone over to your way of thinking better than an anonymous stranger calling you an idiot on the internet..


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Proximity 10-13-2020 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by FleetSnarl (Post 3144416)
I’m not on Facebook, but I hear there are lots of people over there complaining that we need to take an additional pay cut beyond what we already have in order to #savedean.

Could not be further from the truth. I’ve been ready to take screenshots of “supporters” so they can’t claim to be no voters later...but so far I have nothing. I’ve been pleasantly surprised by what I’ve read on the forums/Facebook and heard online.

Expect the company to step up the fear level. In fact, I’m hoping for a WARN notice so I can show it to future new hires that have drank a little too much company koolaid. But at the end of the day for multiple reasons already mentioned a furlough is not going to happen.

Proximity 10-13-2020 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3144447)
You know, nothing brings someone over to your way of thinking better than an anonymous stranger calling you an idiot on the internet.

I hear you but sometimes I wonder. Right now there is a huge discussion about co-domiciles on FB started tangentially to the ORD/IAH announcement . Did anyone notice we serve LAX/BUR/LGB, BWI/DCA, OAK/SJC/SFO without co-domiciles to our advantage? Adding IAH and ORD doesn’t suddenly change anything.

Fortunately the yearly discussion about green bars and LG that used to occur every January 11th is over. If you don’t understand your LG by now we can’t help you. :D

ZapBrannigan 10-13-2020 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by Proximity (Post 3144470)
Fortunately the yearly discussion about green bars and LG that used to occur every January 11th is over. If you don’t understand your LG by now we can’t help you. :D

Haha!! Truth!


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FlyPKP 10-13-2020 05:14 AM

Back in 19 networking planning mentioned ORD and said they would be dying to get in there but UA/AA are making sure that doesn't happen. The North Chicago/Illinois and Southern Wisconsin market being a huge group they're not able to attract to Midway because it's "too far" We asked about DFW and that was met with a pretty quick dismissal, with the metro area there having both easily accessible by either side of the town because of the way the city is set up, but who knows now with legacies where they are, never say never?

SWAFA 10-13-2020 05:38 AM

D/FW
 
I have seen a couple references to DFW.

Remember, per the 5 party agreement (Dallas, Fort Worth, the DFW Airport Board, American Airlines and Southwest):

Until 2025, for every gate that Southwest acquires or uses at another airport within 80 miles of Love Field, Southwest must relinquish one gate at Love Field.

So I would think DFW is still off the table for at least a few years.

Grumpyaviator 10-13-2020 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Psycho18th (Post 3144330)
I wonder if M&A restrictions were part of the government loans SWA turned down?

probably, but whoever we might merge with would have had to refuse the loans as well. GK told the shareholders the reason they refused the $7.5b loan was to avoid dividend and stock buy-back restrictions.

I truly hope there are no mergers, there’s too much opportunity to expand without them, and with the current situation plenty of pilots to staff expansion.

Squallrider 10-13-2020 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 3144536)
probably, but whoever we might merge with would have had to refuse the loans as well. GK told the shareholders the reason they refused the $7.5b loan was to avoid dividend and stock buy-back restrictions.

I truly hope there are no mergers, there’s too much opportunity to expand without them, and with the current situation plenty of pilots to staff expansion.

I agree i think with the financial situation UA and AA are in there’s tons of opportunities for organic growth rather than m and A

JDFlyer 10-13-2020 07:01 AM

Personally, I am glad to see us going into O'Hare. In my prior commercial flying job, I was based there for 6 years. When I was there, albeit, 10 years ago, the O'Hare controllers were the absolute best anywhere in the USA. Hands down. Gorgeous, long runways. "Standard" taxi in procedure was: just keep moving your aircraft, don't hit anything or anyone, observe the flow of traffic around the inner and outer loop taxiways, use your taxi light to communicate with other aircraft . . . . a true thing of common sense and beauty.

I suspect some of our "legacy" Captains will have problems with O'Hare.

Also, I never felt like O'Hare was in anyway a "dangerous" airport. Midway, is a major catastrophe waiting to happen. Hot summer day . . . heavy weight . . . . flaps 25. . . . . you know exactly what I am talking about. It may be "legal" but that is about all it is. . . .

N6279P 10-13-2020 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by Noconcessions (Post 3144348)
I really believe UAL and AA are mortally wounded. Maybe not in the sense of absolute extinction, but perhaps each at no more than 50% of their former selves. We go to places like STL, PHX, DEN, BNA etc. and we are 5-10 tails for every one of the other companies. Our concourses and gates have semi-normal numbers of passengers, they're gates are closed or empty. TSA Throughput is rising rapidly and we are capturing traffic. If we play hardball, we may own half of the domestic market.

Pretty sure United has more planes at DEN then Southwest at any given time, just saying. Pretty overly optimistic view from a Southwest standpoint.


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