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Old 01-29-2022 | 12:57 PM
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I知 not a varsity player. I tend to avoid overlaps because I don稚 like the uncertainty of how scheduling will resolve them. But I知 sure I知 leaving TFP on the table by not taking advantage. So when bidding for both the lead-in, and the lead-out months, what should I be trying to accomplish? Looking for tips and tricks here.

I have a PM three day beginning on Feb 28th. So when I bid for March, should I look for an AM beginning on the 1st to create a conflict?

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Old 01-29-2022 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
I知 not a varsity player. I tend to avoid overlaps because I don稚 like the uncertainty of how scheduling will resolve them. But I知 sure I知 leaving TFP on the table by not taking advantage. So when bidding for both the lead-in, and the lead-out months, what should I be trying to accomplish? Looking for tips and tricks here.

I have a PM three day beginning on Feb 28th. So when I bid for March, should I look for an AM beginning on the 1st to create a conflict?

Thanks in advance
An AM that is geographically far away from your current trip. Don't give them an opportunity to splice the trip together. A similar trip that starts on the 2nd will also do, but make sure that trip stays far away from your base so they don't leave you a fragment to catch up to. If you don't like their solution you can always solve it yourself via elitt after calling them to undo their proposal
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Old 01-29-2022 | 03:49 PM
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Scheduling has wide latitude to mesh the two trips with (in some cases) unpaid DH痴 or split pairings. Back when the max was grounded and we were way overmanned they would just drop the lead in trip. Nowadays there痴 no telling what they might do. Separating pairings geographically results in the best opportunity for one to get dropped.
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Old 01-29-2022 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Stitches
Scheduling has wide latitude to mesh the two trips with (in some cases) unpaid DH痴 or split pairings. Back when the max was grounded and we were way overmanned they would just drop the lead in trip. Nowadays there痴 no telling what they might do. Separating pairings geographically results in the best opportunity for one to get dropped.
So is the idea to get one dropped, then move the other one somewhere else in the month to create a gap and shoot for premium?
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Old 01-29-2022 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Stitches
Scheduling has wide latitude to mesh the two trips with (in some cases) unpaid DH痴 or split pairings. Back when the max was grounded and we were way overmanned they would just drop the lead in trip. Nowadays there痴 no telling what they might do. Separating pairings geographically results in the best opportunity for one to get dropped.
they do and they don't. They aren't going to add pay via excessively long DHs. If the lead out trip is on the east coast while the lead in trip is on the west coast, with almost 100% certainly they will drop the lead in pairing entirely. Unless there's a PTB turn on the end, which they may leave on your board. Use legalities to your advantage...a PM lead out and and an AM lead in will be very difficult to blend. Phone a friend to borrow a trip to create a 30 in 168 issue...and no that's not cartel activity when you're playing against the House.
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Old 01-30-2022 | 04:51 AM
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they do and they don't. They aren't going to add pay via excessively long DHs. If the lead out trip is on the east coast while the lead in trip is on the west coast, with almost 100% certainly they will drop the lead in pairing entirely. Unless there's a PTB turn on the end, which they may leave on your board. Use legalities to your advantage...a PM lead out and and an AM lead in will be very difficult to blend. Phone a friend to borrow a trip to create a 30 in 168 issue...and no that's not cartel activity when you're playing against the House.

I assure you meant it the other way around. They cannot touch your current month trip, unless they are paying you for anything they touch. They will adjust or drop the next month.
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Old 01-30-2022 | 05:06 AM
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Old 01-30-2022 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Mozam
I assure you meant it the other way around. They cannot touch your current month trip, unless they are paying you for anything they touch. They will adjust or drop the next month.
Yes?

The terms lead-in and lead-out are commonly misunderstood. From SWAPA scheduling handbook.

Lead-out pairings are those that originate in the current bid period, while lead-in pairings are pairings that originate in the new bid period.
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Old 01-30-2022 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mozam
I assure you meant it the other way around. They cannot touch your current month trip, unless they are paying you for anything they touch. They will adjust or drop the next month.
we are pay protected on the lead out pairing. They will typically pull the lead in pairing.
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Eeyore... we... do not... talk... about... the Fight Club.
My bad. 😳

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