New hire question
06-27-2022, 04:36 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by KVGT CFI
something else to watch out for is the friendly CS who puts you on the direct flight to base on your JA day, “so you don’t have to connect”. Contract says first available flight back to base, not shortest. I caught it and my JA day went from 5 to 9.8TFP by holding them to the contract on this one.
This is next level contract stuff.
Take my advice, though, don't get it corrected to a double DH and then try to get released with the same scheduler. They act like you are stealing their kids' lunch money. I had to talk to a sup, go on extended hold, and the whole process took about 30 minutes before they finally agreed with me.
Get it corrected to double DH, thank the scheduler, then call back and talk to someone else in a couple of minutes to get released.
06-27-2022, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
This is next level contract stuff.
Take my advice, though, don't get it corrected to a double DH and then try to get released with the same scheduler. They act like you are stealing their kids' lunch money. I had to talk to a sup, go on extended hold, and the whole process took about 30 minutes before they finally agreed with me.
Get it corrected to double DH, thank the scheduler, then call back and talk to someone else in a couple of minutes to get released.
Take my advice, though, don't get it corrected to a double DH and then try to get released with the same scheduler. They act like you are stealing their kids' lunch money. I had to talk to a sup, go on extended hold, and the whole process took about 30 minutes before they finally agreed with me.
Get it corrected to double DH, thank the scheduler, then call back and talk to someone else in a couple of minutes to get released.
06-27-2022, 01:10 PM
#23
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TFP
Question, is there a method/reason that TFP is used instead of block/credit hours?
Also, is there a commuter policy?
What’s the per diem rate?
Does SWAPA take dues? Who funds it?
TIA!!
Also, is there a commuter policy?
What’s the per diem rate?
Does SWAPA take dues? Who funds it?
TIA!!
06-27-2022, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
Question, is there a method/reason that TFP is used instead of block/credit hours?
- STANDARD / NON-STANDARD TRIPFor purposes of this Section, a "standard trip" will be any trip for which the nonstop mileage according to the CAB book of airport to airport mileage is two hundred forty-three (243) miles or less. If CAB book does not have airport to airport mileage listed, DOT published figures will be used between airports.
A non-standard trip will be any trip for which the non-stop mileage according to the CAB book of airport to airport mileage exceeds two hundred forty-three (243) miles. Non-standard trips will be paid at the rate of one (1) standard trip plus one-tenth (.10) trip for each forty (40) mile increment over two hundred forty-three (243) miles, rounded up or down to the nearest forty (40) mile increment.
In the event there is in effect during the term of this Agreement a non-standard trip pay formula for Southwest Airlines Flight Attendants which would, if applied to Southwest Airlines pilots, be more beneficial to the pilots, then such non-standard trip pay formula used for flight attendants shall also apply to pilots.
Also, is there a commuter policy?
- A pilot must attempt to commute on a minimum of two (2) consecutive scheduled flights on Southwest or off-line from the designated city. If, because of flight cancellations, delays, lack of available seating (cabin or jumpseat), or delays beyond the commuter’s control (diversion, etc.), the pilot will be unable to arrive prior to the scheduled report time, the Company will be notified immediately. Alternatively, the second scheduled flight is not required if the primary flight on Southwest is scheduled to arrive in domicile at least one (1) hour prior to check-in.
- The Company will work with the pilot to get him back on his trip as quickly and efficiently as possible, or the pilot may be offered another assignment. If the pilot accepts another assignment, the pay for the newly assigned pairing will serve as the original pay calculation for any subsequent reassignment.
- The pilot will not be paid for the scheduled TFP lost or deadhead to rejoin the original (not newly assigned) pairing.
- The pilot should be prepared to verify that he was present for the two (2) consecutive flights.
- The pilot will not be charged with a no-show, as long as he is in compliance with this Section.
- The pilot’s domicile Chief Pilot may be notified.
What’s the per diem rate?
Does SWAPA take dues? Who funds it?
06-27-2022, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirkkdiggler
1% vs I believe 1.85% at ALPA carriers. Better value for money I’d say as well.
It'd be hard for SWAPA to do worse.
06-27-2022, 04:27 PM
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Anyone got a rough timeline of first week of Indoc? Is the spouse dinner the night before the first day or the night of first day? Do we participate in the new hire parade I see all over social media (please say no)? Anything you wish you brought or had? Any advice?
may be getting ahead of myself here: can I trade trips on probation? Will people take reserve trips? One of my coworkers was sharing some of his tips to trade/ELITT (similar to what I’ve read in this forum) and it seemed pretty exciting.
thanks for the help. Researched as much of this as I could!
may be getting ahead of myself here: can I trade trips on probation? Will people take reserve trips? One of my coworkers was sharing some of his tips to trade/ELITT (similar to what I’ve read in this forum) and it seemed pretty exciting.
thanks for the help. Researched as much of this as I could!
06-27-2022, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bobble
Anyone got a rough timeline of first week of Indoc? Is the spouse dinner the night before the first day or the night of first day? Do we participate in the new hire parade I see all over social media (please say no)? Anything you wish you brought or had? Any advice?
may be getting ahead of myself here: can I trade trips on probation? Will people take reserve trips? One of my coworkers was sharing some of his tips to trade/ELITT (similar to what I’ve read in this forum) and it seemed pretty exciting.
thanks for the help. Researched as much of this as I could!
may be getting ahead of myself here: can I trade trips on probation? Will people take reserve trips? One of my coworkers was sharing some of his tips to trade/ELITT (similar to what I’ve read in this forum) and it seemed pretty exciting.
thanks for the help. Researched as much of this as I could!
Yes, you can trade and vote as well.
As for advice, try to have fun. Go with the flow and don’t overthink it. Study the subjects at hand.
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