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Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat (Post 3576661)

whole-heartedly disagree. Probies are coming more from the regionals versus the high number of ex mil guys. All the new regional guys have lived for the last few years under 💩 contracts. It’s the mil / corporate guys you need to educate.

From your lips to God's ears, brother...

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Originally Posted by at6d (Post 3576697)

I agree—many of our newer pilots have done their time in civilian airlines. That being said, the total times are coming way down. It’s up to the group to educate. Also to be said—I’ve recently flown with left seaters that literally think we should forego contract negotiations until economics get better. It’s not always the new guys that are behind the airplane.

And I flew with an ex regional guy 3 months ago that believed we need to give to get and that SWAPA isn't playing nice. They are from all over. Left right, civy military, regional corp. We have plenty in the 38%. 84% were ok to take less. Talk it up and educate your fellow pilots.

As a recently former regional guy, I explain to the CA that I would have easily made $150k+ MORE last year if I'd stayed at my regional compared to year 1 at SWA. Even more if I'd gone the LCA route. Most guys have no idea that regional captains can clear that much. I just try to give them some industry perspective.

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Originally Posted by arbalist1 (Post 3576955)

Boy have times changed!

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Originally Posted by arbalist1 (Post 3576955)

Envoy Check persons are getting 428 an hour. Some are making 48 k in one month .

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Originally Posted by Mozam (Post 3576981)

Envoy Check persons are getting 428 an hour. Some are making 48 k in one month .

Seems like every SWA CA who posts on APC is flying 200 TFP/month, pulling $50K month in and month out. Simple to do: just drop your entire line every month and pick up 20 days of premium with the help of your buddies in the cartel getting you down under the cap. Easy peezy.

Time has passed these people by. I have a feeling I’ll be putting in my 2 hour notice shortly after we vote in the looming turd. Sucks because I could hold the left seat starting last summer but I will not spend the rest of my working days toiling for a pyramid scheme led by entitled idiots.

smh

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Originally Posted by Tankerhead (Post 3577051)

I’m with you. Here even longer and seriously considering it. I’ve gotten involved in a couple of cultish organizations in the past: a “mega-church” and a “self-improvement” group. Basically constant gaslighting, like here. Fortunately, those organizations didn’t have seniority systems, so leaving was easy once I figured out what I’d gotten myself into.

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Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot (Post 3573684)

Well… this kind of bashing of your own pilots is going to help the cause. Maybe try educating them instead.

I’m a probie, and I didn’t drink even a drop. Granted, 7 companies in 22 years can have that affect, but there were quite a few in my new hire that were on 2nd or 3rd airline and weren’t drinking it either. Now, the fresh mil and corp types were a little thirsty, but I’ve already seen some come around. I’m inside of my last 20 years of this and I starting to think the younger generation’s entitlement and lack of the last 20 years of F’d up airlines and unions is good, cause a lot of them think we deserve much more than we are getting.

Why are you still here? 1 yr CA upgrades to nice aircraft in nice locations at both Delta and United. Run, don't walk. Seriously. Nothing against you, but really why are you even here given how toxic things are here and how the "normal" progression has shifted for everywhere except this place? Oh yea UPS or FedEX slowed down hiring. Everywhere else is not only hiring, they're offering and PROVIDING a better career track than SWA. This place is a cesspool of a dead end and according to the words coming from the mouths of the leaders who show up for annual training, there is zero intent to ever change anything at SWA. What you see is what you get, and what you're seeing is a complete shxtshow.

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Originally Posted by Lewbronski (Post 3576992)

Reminds me of the wack job that we have that is retiring soon . He used to bring his paystub‘s to work to show the flight attendants, he tried blackmailing one of our own pilots because he did not get a trip he bid on .

His claim to Fame in his own mind, he tells all the FAs he is the highest paid pilot at SWA.