Originally Posted by tm602 (Post 3532927)

Talking about military guys (and coming from a former enlisted man BTW so no accusations of being anti-military) and the whole "we fighter types shouldn't ever have to fly an RJ etc because its demeaning" or whatever.....one of my funniest memories was back in the early 2000s when USAF time and $0.75 would get you a cup of coffee...watching a single seat military type trying to fly a VOR approach with a PT in the Jetstream by hand. I should have charged ACA $50/hr for flight instruction.

Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3532977)

Or any kind of free-form visual approach...

Originally Posted by CA1900 (Post 3533003)

I've never seen such a deer-in-the-headlights look as when we went into Sarasota after the tower closed. The captain, who went straight from USAF to Southwest, said he had literally never landed without an operating control tower. I was shocked.

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3532677)

I’m not trying to sound anti military. I honestly believe that classes in airline history and airline labor relations should be required prior to attending Indoc at any major airline. As a profession we need to do a better job of learning from our collective history. Those would benefit ANYONE who is new to the profession regardless of their background. The reality is that the generation who lived through turboprops, pay for training, Gulfstream international type schemes (pay to sit in the right seat), B scales, is getting old. The young folks joining the company now may have taken their first flying lessons POST 9/11!!! They may never have flown anything with steam gauges. They may never have flown an airliner without an autopilot or FMS. They may not know the history of the RJ and why it was so damaging to our profession.

Airline pilots do a poor job of indoctrinating our young because we just assume they did the same thing to get here that we did. Well, it should come as no surprise that none of our new hires these days flew cancelled checks in clapped out Barons in the middle of the night. Times change and with them so do perceptions. We all view this job through the lens of our own past experience. We have to figure out a way to share that history with our new hires without sounding like we’re preaching to them about the glory days.

Originally Posted by 4V14T0R (Post 3533042)

I took my first flying lessons after 9/11, but I had a captain at my regional recommend Flying the Line and Hard Landing. They ought to be required reading for any airline pilot. As should a class on the RLA and airline contracts. ALPA should write another volume to bring us at least until just before regional wages started to rise in 2015.

Originally Posted by BZC17 (Post 3533205)

Only took two pages to get to the military bashing… please continue.., [emoji1690]

fwiw… hard no on anything that doesn’t restore us as the most highly paid narrow bodied pilots plus gains in ltd/life insurance etc… willing to go all the way to make sure the contract is re written the right way

Originally Posted by Loon (Post 3533193)

I love flying a VISUAL. Nervous, delicate captains: " you want the vorloc?"
I'm good, if you want it knock yourself out. I guess i can't blame them too much. Maybe some of my predecessors have startled them.

Originally Posted by Burton78 (Post 3533215)

Yup. The insecurity displayed on this page is real and more disturbing than their supposed anecdotes. Funny thing, I’ve never had an issue with anyone here regardless of their backgrounds.