Then let's hurry up so we can get the "No" vote out of the way!

 

What are you hearing Lew? I haven’t heard anything yet. 23% is far too low. We don’t need to just look at NB rates. Next some here are going to use 108.

 

I am hearing that I am going to be very disappointed. Not only will it not be industry-leading in terms of global airline pilot contracts, it won't even be industry-leading for narrow body contracts. Yes, it'll have some flashy curbside appeal to snare the votes required for ratification, but under the hood, it's gonna be seriously lacking.

As soon as Casey says or implies that this contract was the best SWAPA could get, it is a done deal with our pilot group. Game over in the same way that Weaks ********'ed us in 2016 by telling everyone, "I'm not gonna tell y'all how to vote. But I'm voting yes," and thereby sealed the deal on our current near-industry-bottom POS contract. Like good lemmings, 84% of our pilot group replied, "If it's good enough for Jon Weaks and SWAPA, it's good enough for me."

News flash: Weaks never really had to work under our current contract in the way that we line pilots do. Likewise, given their trip pull and revolving committee assignments in perpetuity, Casey and much of the current SWAPA crowd won't have to truly work under the full weight of the turd they're currently devising and will soon sell to us.

The turd is coming.

 

Best to write your Rep now, let them know how you feel about The Turd.

 

My biggest fear is that we will be so focused on TFP rates that we will look right past the myriad of other improvements we are desperately in need of. LTD, retirement, reserve QOL, JA, leg change override, etc...

We need a lot more than just pay raises this time. We'll never have this kind of leverage again.

 

No, no more MOUs.

We need to have our full-page advertisements ready for USA Today, WSJ, NYT, and others the moment the SAV is complete. And while 99.9% is ideal, less is still very effective for a ‘book away’

SWAPA also needs to start advertising the details of Delta’s TA, along with a statement that they won’t forward to membership anything that doesn’t exceed it in all areas.

 

I love that idea, and I’d add, “Including in wide body career compensation and retirement.”

But the chances of SWAPA doing that are about as good as the chances of it snowing on Waikiki Beach tomorrow. Why? Because they'd have to really get to work and get uncomfortable.

They'd have to read, and stuff. They'd have to understand RLA case law beyond what they were taught by their NMB instructors at the Pepperdine course they often brag about having attended (fox guarding the henhouse). They'd have to really push the company. They'd have to risk scaring some of our pearl-clutching culture luvers. They'd have to challenge their own mythology about what they've been programmed to believe about the RLA and collective bargaining.

 

Im already committed, my vote is no.

 

The describes exactly what happened here over the last few decades. Well, except for the few bucks part.

We ratified, what, 19 side letters to the last contract?

None of them garnered the pilot group a dime, and most benefited the company, at our expense. Each one removed what little leverage we had, and any sense of urgency on the part of the company to head to the bargaining table.

 

That's what the yessies do here. Get a little bit of somethin somthin for rubbing daddy's feet. Then smile from ear to ear when Christmas comes in the form of a lump of coal and some cold oatmeal with maggots in it. This "gratitude pay" is for buying off the yessies. It will ensure their yes vote for "The Turd that Cometh ©". And they will be so proud of their industry leading contract... that isn't. Because guess what? They're also really bad at maths.

Even our reps steal from us. Whether by parking trips to stay under the cap, or turning in their union pay after they bid premium under the cap, or ELITTing (early) under the cover of night then getting belligerent about it when called out. What a bunch of self serving... There is no real unity here. It's all about me me me.. And carl and his handlers are laughing their asses off and cashing in stock grants. Who wants to take bets on how many current SNAPA types will be working in the GO in a year or 10?