waterskisabersw

Company is taking a page from their flight attendant negotiators and threw out shockingly low pay rates today.

Hilarious. They are completely divorced from reality.

We knew this would happen, though I'm a little surprised they're so incompetent at it.

avi8er

Yeah unfortunately it’s expected. My union speak for me. They already told the company it’s not nearly enough.

RJSAviator76

Not. Even. Close.

Even if we got every single work rule improvements we're asking for, industry-leading LTD/STD, and improved NEC, these rates alone would cause me to vote no. Note also how they changed the TFP to hourly formula too...

avi8er

yep shameless

InThrustMeTrust

care posting the offered rates for curious minds?

Zard

it’s not even just a no, it’s a lol puck no.

Casey’s wrong. I want to strike. It’ll be worth the lost pay just to see the smug slide off the face of every fart sniffing moron who works in the GO and believes their own BS.

RJSAviator76

Captain Rates (TFP) ---------------------------------------------------- Captain Rates (Company's interpretation of conversion of TFP to block)*
D.O.R..... 2024...... 2025..... 2026.... 2027 -------------------------- D.O.R..... 2024.....2025..... 2026...... 2027
$255.47 $268.25 $278.98 $290.14 $301.74 ---------- 1 ---------- $296.91 $311.76 $324.23 $337.20 $350.68
$258.58 $271.51 $282.37 $293.66 $305.41 ---------- 2 ---------- $300.52 $315.54 $328.17 $341.29 $354.94
$261.73 $274.81 $285.81 $297.24 $309.13 ---------- 3 ---------- $304.18 $319.39 $332.16 $345.45 $359.27
$264.84 $278.09 $289.21 $300.78 $312.81 ---------- 4 ---------- $307.80 $323.19 $336.12 $349.56 $363.55
$267.79 $281.18 $292.43 $304.13 $316.29 ---------- 5 ---------- $311.23 $326.79 $339.86 $353.46 $367.60
$271.12 $284.68 $296.06 $307.91 $320.22 ---------- 6 ---------- $315.10 $330.85 $344.09 $357.85 $372.16
$274.24 $287.95 $299.47 $311.45 $323.90 ---------- 7 ---------- $318.72 $334.65 $348.04 $361.96 $376.44
$277.36 $291.23 $302.88 $315.00 $327.60 ---------- 8 ---------- $322.35 $338.47 $352.01 $366.09 $380.73
$280.50 $294.53 $306.31 $318.56 $331.30 ---------- 9 ---------- $326.00 $342.30 $355.99 $370.23 $385.04
$283.62 $297.80 $309.71 $322.10 $334.98 ---------- 10 -------- $329.62 $346.10 $359.95 $374.34 $389.32
$286.76 $301.10 $313.14 $325.66 $338.69 ---------- 11 -------- $333.27 $349.93 $363.93 $378.49 $393.63
$289.87 $304.37 $316.54 $329.20 $342.37 ---------- 12 -------- $336.89 $353.73 $367.88 $382.60 $397.90


FO Rates (TFP) ---------------------------------------------------------- FO Rates (Company's interpretation of conversion of TFP to block)*
$102.19 $107.30 $111.59 $116.05 $120.70 ----------- 1 -------- $118.76 $124.70 $129.69 $134.88 $140.27
$142.22 $149.33 $155.30 $161.51 $167.97 ---------- 2 --------- $165.29 $173.55 $180.49 $187.71 $195.22
$170.12 $178.63 $185.77 $193.21 $200.93 ---------- 3 --------- $197.72 $207.60 $215.91 $224.54 $233.53
$174.80 $183.54 $190.88 $198.51 $206.45 ---------- 4 --------- $203.15 $213.31 $221.84 $230.71 $239.94
$179.42 $188.39 $195.93 $203.77 $211.92 ---------- 5 --------- $208.52 $218.95 $227.71 $236.82 $246.29
$184.36 $193.58 $201.32 $209.38 $217.75 ---------- 6 --------- $214.27 $224.98 $233.98 $243.34 $253.07
$186.48 $195.81 $203.64 $211.78 $220.25 ---------- 7 --------- $216.73 $227.56 $236.67 $246.13 $255.98
$191.38 $200.95 $208.99 $217.35 $226.04 ---------- 8 --------- $222.42 $233.54 $242.89 $252.60 $262.71
$196.35 $206.17 $214.42 $222.99 $231.91 ---------- 9 --------- $228.20 $239.61 $249.19 $259.16 $269.53
$198.53 $208.46 $216.80 $225.47 $234.49 ---------- 10 ------- $230.73 $242.27 $251.96 $262.04 $272.52
$200.73 $210.77 $219.20 $227.97 $237.08 ---------- 11 -------- $233.29 $244.95 $254.75 $264.94 $275.54
$202.91 $213.06 $221.58 $230.44 $239.66 ---------- 12 -------- $235.82 $247.61 $257.52 $267.82 $278.53

* Prior to this offer, the TFP conversion was generally 1.149 x TFP = Hourly. The company apparently "revised" it...

In any case... the sentiment seems to be a pretty unilateral "HELL NO!"

WHACKMASTER

Oh HEEEEEEELLLLL NO!!!

WHACKMASTER

Completely agreed. I struck at Airline #1 for almost three months. It’s not that I want to go that long but just remember, everyday that we walk hurts them more than it hurts us.

I think a short strike would be good for our relationship with SWA. Maybe they’d learn to take us more seriously going forward.

The incessant foot-dragging makes me want to shut the place down even more just to prove a point. I guess they haven’t figured out that pi$$ing the pilot group off is rarely a good thing.

PropPiedmont

Big fail, if this is a SWA negotiating in public technique. Laughable rates. What’s odd too, is the shift of the money pot towards the FO side of the pay scale. Obviously, this saves SWA a lot of money going forward, but when a 12 year Captain gets 18ish%, but the 3 year FO gets a 40ish% DOS pay raise, something doesn’t smell right. I also notice the long used 1.149 conversion rate (which is propaganda BS) was also upped to about 1.16 now.

$350/tfp, 12 year Captain at DOS is the bare minimum right now.