"Trafficking" lawsuit against SWA
#21
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My thoughts exactly. Hopefully the organizations that SWA partners with to stop human trafficking will step in and defend what the FAs thought was the right thing to do. There will still likely be a settlement, but it shouldn’t stop our crews from keeping an eye out for potential trafficking.
Leave it to you or E6. I wasn't really making this a left right thing. Just ironic that it's trafficking unless it's not. Depending on who is doing it and why. As far as the governors of Texas and Florida using it to make a point, I think it worked. I can tell that you "got it." 😂 Good job!
Show up. Fly your trip. Get the pax from point A to B safely. Go home. Stay in your lane.
PS - best of luck to you all on new contract. Hold fast.
#22
The metric that was met was was that the FA decided that the daughter didn't belong to the mother because of a difference in skin color. How many captains are there out there that just take what the FA says at face value and don't ask questions before sending off the ACARS message, especially if the FA is being overly dramatic, as I'm sure this one was? The lawsuit also claims that the police told her that the reason they were called was based on how the mother and daughter looked. This is one of the few allegations of racial prejudice/profiling that actually has merit. Southwest is going to pay up on this one, as they should.
I remember there was a similar incident a little while back (maybe around the same time), at AA where an FA called the police on a Asian/Caucasian couple because they didn't look like they should be together. I can't find the article now, but I remember reading that AA's training on human trafficking mentioned racial differences in people travelling together as a sign of human trafficking. I'm sure all these corporations copy-paste the same BS training on this kind of non-sense, so this FA was probably taught the same thing.
It's really quite ironic. After donating to rioters that destroyed cities in 2020 in the name of 'social justice', the same corporations are now teaching their employees that people with different skin tones shouldn't be together. Just when you think we've reached peak clown world, corporate America manages to set a new standard.
I remember there was a similar incident a little while back (maybe around the same time), at AA where an FA called the police on a Asian/Caucasian couple because they didn't look like they should be together. I can't find the article now, but I remember reading that AA's training on human trafficking mentioned racial differences in people travelling together as a sign of human trafficking. I'm sure all these corporations copy-paste the same BS training on this kind of non-sense, so this FA was probably taught the same thing.
It's really quite ironic. After donating to rioters that destroyed cities in 2020 in the name of 'social justice', the same corporations are now teaching their employees that people with different skin tones shouldn't be together. Just when you think we've reached peak clown world, corporate America manages to set a new standard.
You want to blow the profiling whistle well then that’s just your opinion, man.
In the mean time, let’s see where discovery leads and then we can ascertain if there was a racist bias.
Are you employed as an airline pilot?
#23
Do not confuse an allegation with facts and opinions. It is your opinion that the flight attendant is guilty of racism. All flight attendants are taught to observe certain behaviors in regards to trafficking and to report it. There is more to trafficking than race.
You want to blow the profiling whistle well then that’s just your opinion, man.
In the mean time, let’s see where discovery leads and then we can ascertain if there was a racist bias.
Are you employed as an airline pilot?
You want to blow the profiling whistle well then that’s just your opinion, man.
In the mean time, let’s see where discovery leads and then we can ascertain if there was a racist bias.
Are you employed as an airline pilot?
But the fact is there are 30+million slaves in the world today and trafficking is epidemic.
How do you draw the line between concern and ignoring a potential danger with little info. It seems to me they were inconvenienced and probably a little scared by the interview, but there is no indication they were harassed or threatened.
Before the race card is played, I don’t think we don’t know the race of the FA and people here, who are likely white and never had to face these issues are making judgments. This was likely a FA who was genuinely concerned and wanted to be sure.
My suspicion is this woman could be gold-digging.
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My kids are minorities and there have been times when I was worried about being scrutinized for trafficking, such as flying out of Africa or SA.
But the fact is there are 30+million slaves in the world today and trafficking is epidemic.
How do you draw the line between concern and ignoring a potential danger with little info. It seems to me they were inconvenienced and probably a little scared by the interview, but there is no indication they were harassed or threatened.
Before the race card is played, I don’t think we don’t know the race of the FA and people here, who are likely white and never had to face these issues are making judgments. This was likely a FA who was genuinely concerned and wanted to be sure.
My suspicion is this woman could be gold-digging.
But the fact is there are 30+million slaves in the world today and trafficking is epidemic.
How do you draw the line between concern and ignoring a potential danger with little info. It seems to me they were inconvenienced and probably a little scared by the interview, but there is no indication they were harassed or threatened.
Before the race card is played, I don’t think we don’t know the race of the FA and people here, who are likely white and never had to face these issues are making judgments. This was likely a FA who was genuinely concerned and wanted to be sure.
My suspicion is this woman could be gold-digging.
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Wasn't it a year or two ago that we had a DL module about this and how an FA action busted up a trafficking operation and saved a woman? Bringing up a concern that the company training led this FA to suspect possible trafficking shouldn't lead to any disciplinary issues, but should highlight training deficiencies.
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Wasn't it a year or two ago that we had a DL module about this and how an FA action busted up a trafficking operation and saved a woman? Bringing up a concern that the company training led this FA to suspect possible trafficking shouldn't lead to any disciplinary issues, but should highlight training deficiencies.
Crazy this is happening in 2023….
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The metric that was met was was that the FA decided that the daughter didn't belong to the mother because of a difference in skin color. How many captains are there out there that just take what the FA says at face value and don't ask questions before sending off the ACARS message, especially if the FA is being overly dramatic, as I'm sure this one was? The lawsuit also claims that the police told her that the reason they were called was based on how the mother and daughter looked. This is one of the few allegations of racial prejudice/profiling that actually has merit. Southwest is going to pay up on this one, as they should.
I remember there was a similar incident a little while back (maybe around the same time), at AA where an FA called the police on a Asian/Caucasian couple because they didn't look like they should be together. I can't find the article now, but I remember reading that AA's training on human trafficking mentioned racial differences in people travelling together as a sign of human trafficking. I'm sure all these corporations copy-paste the same BS training on this kind of non-sense, so this FA was probably taught the same thing.
It's really quite ironic. After donating to rioters that destroyed cities in 2020 in the name of 'social justice', the same corporations are now teaching their employees that people with different skin tones shouldn't be together. Just when you think we've reached peak clown world, corporate America manages to set a new standard.
I remember there was a similar incident a little while back (maybe around the same time), at AA where an FA called the police on a Asian/Caucasian couple because they didn't look like they should be together. I can't find the article now, but I remember reading that AA's training on human trafficking mentioned racial differences in people travelling together as a sign of human trafficking. I'm sure all these corporations copy-paste the same BS training on this kind of non-sense, so this FA was probably taught the same thing.
It's really quite ironic. After donating to rioters that destroyed cities in 2020 in the name of 'social justice', the same corporations are now teaching their employees that people with different skin tones shouldn't be together. Just when you think we've reached peak clown world, corporate America manages to set a new standard.
Why are you saying this? They could have two different last names, the kid could have said how old she was and it didn’t match the paper work, kid could have not even known where they were flying to or why or even their own last name. Are you so dumb to think they didn’t make polite conversation and just went straight with biracial children don’t exist in the most diverse country in the world?
If you have ever seen any real human trafficking you wouldn’t be so ready to thump your chest and would be willing to falsely accuse 10 innocents to catch one guilty.
How can you life be ruined by answering a few law enforcement questions at the gate when you land. They don’t just show up and cuff and stuff you like a level 4 threat.
The mother answered questions and is offended on principle, she has no legal damages, and needs to be shown actual footage of human trafficking so she will feel so embarrassed and withdraw her lawsuit with actual dignity.
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Why are you saying this? They could have two different last names, the kid could have said how old she was and it didn’t match the paper work, kid could have not even known where they were flying to or why or even their own last name. Are you so dumb to think they didn’t make polite conversation and just went straight with biracial children don’t exist in the most diverse country in the world?
If you have ever seen any real human trafficking you wouldn’t be so ready to thump your chest and would be willing to falsely accuse 10 innocents to catch one guilty.
How can you life be ruined by answering a few law enforcement questions at the gate when you land. They don’t just show up and cuff and stuff you like a level 4 threat.
The mother answered questions and is offended on principle, she has no legal damages, and needs to be shown actual footage of human trafficking so she will feel so embarrassed and withdraw her lawsuit with actual dignity.
If you have ever seen any real human trafficking you wouldn’t be so ready to thump your chest and would be willing to falsely accuse 10 innocents to catch one guilty.
How can you life be ruined by answering a few law enforcement questions at the gate when you land. They don’t just show up and cuff and stuff you like a level 4 threat.
The mother answered questions and is offended on principle, she has no legal damages, and needs to be shown actual footage of human trafficking so she will feel so embarrassed and withdraw her lawsuit with actual dignity.
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It’s not obvious in the article that anyone broke the law or violated anyone’s civil rights.
People call 911 all the time and are wrong for tons of different reasons.
People call 911 all the time and are wrong for tons of different reasons.
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I disagree, airline employees are not in any way sworn or deputized as "anti-trafficking warriors". They have no obligation to do anything, other than the same moral obligation anyone would have... if you were walking down the street and saw a mixed race family sitting at a bus stop, would you approach and accuse them of trafficking?
If you're a landlord and observe a repeated pattern of suspicious activity, then you might have grounds to drop a dime. But parent/child skin mismatch alone is nothing.
This is corporate woke virtue signalling taken a bit too seriously by some employees.
I'm going to call it that mixed race families are at least 1000 times more prevalent on airliners than human traffickers.
If you're a landlord and observe a repeated pattern of suspicious activity, then you might have grounds to drop a dime. But parent/child skin mismatch alone is nothing.
This is corporate woke virtue signalling taken a bit too seriously by some employees.
I'm going to call it that mixed race families are at least 1000 times more prevalent on airliners than human traffickers.
If everyone just shut their eyes like you are saying we would be way worse than we are already.
also it wasn’t just about skin color. Did you even read the linked article?
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