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01-10-2024, 10:36 AM
#14
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,116
Originally Posted by Lewbronski
He/she could be FordHarrison. Those guys would probably hate it even more than the company if the pilot group truly flexed their organized labor muscles. That sort of thing might infect all kinds of other labor groups and make FordHarrison's job a lot harder.
I wish the outcome was closer...... because against their weak level propaganda, a solid union education effort could prevail.
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01-10-2024, 10:54 AM
#15
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,796
Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
That's very true.
I wish the outcome was closer...... because against their weak level propaganda, a solid union education effort could prevail.
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I wish the outcome was closer...... because against their weak level propaganda, a solid union education effort could prevail.
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01-10-2024, 11:28 AM
#16
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: Left Seat
Posts: 505
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
How do you know it's not? The sentiment on the forums would have one believe it's going to be much closer than expected.
Literally have yet to meet a no vote in person
01-10-2024, 11:33 AM
#17
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,629
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
it's not that. Vote however you wish and share your reasons.
It's the name calling "yessies" "cowards" and prognosticating about a bleak future forward casting blame. THAT is the kind of garbage that's looked down upon. You in particular have been nothing but respectful in your discourse here. I don't have any bone to pick with you.
It's this notion that anybody who isn't on your team must be lesser, the enemy, and deserving of scorn and derision. That's what bugs me and what I look down upon.
Who has time for that? We're all on APC in our free time to share ideas with fellow pilots. Nobody wants or deserves the sophomoric name calling BS.
It's the name calling "yessies" "cowards" and prognosticating about a bleak future forward casting blame. THAT is the kind of garbage that's looked down upon. You in particular have been nothing but respectful in your discourse here. I don't have any bone to pick with you.
It's this notion that anybody who isn't on your team must be lesser, the enemy, and deserving of scorn and derision. That's what bugs me and what I look down upon.
Who has time for that? We're all on APC in our free time to share ideas with fellow pilots. Nobody wants or deserves the sophomoric name calling BS.
Now if only that IGNORE function would carry over into quotes, it would truly be fantastic. But quotes tend to remind me why I put them on the ignore list, so I just ignore them anyway.
01-10-2024, 12:19 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,116
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
How do you know it's not? The sentiment on the forums would have one believe it's going to be much closer than expected.
It looks like it's going to pass bigly.
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01-10-2024, 01:38 PM
#20
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,256
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
How do you know it's not? The sentiment on the forums would have one believe it's going to be much closer than expected.
I strongly recommend a no vote for all of the reasons I've laid out repeatedly in other posts. Though I wish me saying that would change things, I'm not delusional. I'm saying it for posterity's sake.
Right now, the yes crowd is making nearly identifical arguments that SWAPA pilots have made about every TA we've ratified in the past like, for example, TA2 in 2016 that became our current contract that is widely rued in the pilot group today. But our then SWAPA president endorsed it: "If it's good enough for SWAPA, it's good enough for me," said 84% of the pilot group.
Note that the main players in SWAPA today are nearly identical to the main players in 2016. They engineered the much-derided current contract. They engineered the much-loved (for now) current TA. What could go wrong?
Among other mistakes, they blundered in an enormously costly way this cycle when they filed for mediation much, much, much later than they should have had they known what they were doing. They've even now admitted to that. Filing for mediation in a timely manner didn't require an RLA genius. It required basic familiarity with RLA dynamics, which they apparently lacked when it mattered. That could almost be said to be DFR territory. Water under the bridge, but the implication for right now is this question: if they didn't know the very basics back then, what assurance do we have now that they are up to speed and competent in this very critical domain?
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