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01-10-2024 | 01:50 PM
#22
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I'm sure your handlers at the company and/or FH are loving that the plan worked again. You guys do know your audience. Kudos.
01-10-2024 | 01:52 PM
#23
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Joined: Jul 2007
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I assume you're being sarcastic. Sadly, as you know, this thing is gonna pass. And, like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if it passes with 90% or more voting yes.
I strongly recommend a no vote for all of the reasons I've laid out repeatedly in other posts. Though I wish me saying that would change things, I'm not delusional. I'm saying it for posterity's sake.
Right now, the yes crowd is making nearly identifical arguments that SWAPA pilots have made about every TA we've ratified in the past like, for example, TA2 in 2016 that became our current contract that is widely rued in the pilot group today. But our then SWAPA president endorsed it: "If it's good enough for SWAPA, it's good enough for me," said 84% of the pilot group.
Note that the main players in SWAPA today are nearly identical to the main players in 2016. They engineered the much-derided current contract. They engineered the much-loved-for-now current TA. What could go wrong?
Among other mistakes, they blundered in an enormously costly way this cycle when they filed for mediation much, much, much later than they should have had they known what they were doing. They've even now admitted to that. Filing for mediation in a timely manner didn't require an RLA genius. It required basic familiarity with RLA dynamics, which they apparently lacked when it mattered. That could almost be said to be DFR territory. Water under the bridge, but the implication for right now is this question: if they didn't know the very basics back then, what assurance do we have now that they are up to speed and competent is this very critical domain?
I strongly recommend a no vote for all of the reasons I've laid out repeatedly in other posts. Though I wish me saying that would change things, I'm not delusional. I'm saying it for posterity's sake.
Right now, the yes crowd is making nearly identifical arguments that SWAPA pilots have made about every TA we've ratified in the past like, for example, TA2 in 2016 that became our current contract that is widely rued in the pilot group today. But our then SWAPA president endorsed it: "If it's good enough for SWAPA, it's good enough for me," said 84% of the pilot group.
Note that the main players in SWAPA today are nearly identical to the main players in 2016. They engineered the much-derided current contract. They engineered the much-loved-for-now current TA. What could go wrong?
Among other mistakes, they blundered in an enormously costly way this cycle when they filed for mediation much, much, much later than they should have had they known what they were doing. They've even now admitted to that. Filing for mediation in a timely manner didn't require an RLA genius. It required basic familiarity with RLA dynamics, which they apparently lacked when it mattered. That could almost be said to be DFR territory. Water under the bridge, but the implication for right now is this question: if they didn't know the very basics back then, what assurance do we have now that they are up to speed and competent is this very critical domain?
At this point you are making it a 'process story' and the time for that is long past.
01-10-2024 | 01:58 PM
#24
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Joined: Apr 2013
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I have pretty much quit posting in these contract related forums because I got educated, thought about it long and hard, and made a rational decision. Most are also in that boat one way or another. Nobody here is going to change anyone else's mind. I enjoyed the discussion early on, but now they are repetitive, degrading, and pointless.
There are plenty of no voters out there, some well reasoned. Others not. I have spoken with some of them and had good conversations where we just end up peacefully disagreeing.
One thing that nobody disagrees on is that this will pass and by a wide margin.
There are plenty of no voters out there, some well reasoned. Others not. I have spoken with some of them and had good conversations where we just end up peacefully disagreeing.
One thing that nobody disagrees on is that this will pass and by a wide margin.
01-10-2024 | 03:39 PM
#25
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Joined: Dec 2023
Posts: 105
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You're right. Drag it out, drag it out, drag it out, and sprinkle in some FUD (pilots, alas, have correctly predicted 55 of the last five recessions). When the moment is right and you can taste the negotiations fatigue, drop some upfront money and other baubles on pilots and BAM! "Lions" become lambs.
I'm sure your handlers at the company and/or FH are loving that the plan worked again. You guys do know your audience. Kudos.
I'm sure your handlers at the company and/or FH are loving that the plan worked again. You guys do know your audience. Kudos.
You're welcome
01-10-2024 | 07:16 PM
#27
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01-10-2024 | 08:39 PM
#29
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Joined: Jun 2010
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
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