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Proximity 05-08-2024 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 3799662)
If we have green bars it's because the lines are built to less than guarantee. Guarantee in a 31 day month is 89, a 30 day month is 87. If the credit of all the trips for the month in that line is built to 70...they add a "green bar" on your monthly payroll report of either 17 or 19 depending on the days of the month to get you to guarantee. You can work as much as you want beyond that up to FAR limits or sit back and relax knowing you're flying 50ish hours and getting paid almost 90...either way you keep the green bar.

Another thing nice at Southwest is the green car is the new floor. So any soft pay will be on top of the green bar, you don't have to come up to guarantee first.

Our contract (purposely) punishes inefficency.

iahflyr 05-09-2024 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Proximity (Post 3800046)
Another thing nice at Southwest is the green car is the new floor. So any soft pay will be on top of the green bar, you don't have to come up to guarantee first.

Our contract (purposely) punishes inefficency.

Which makes management more likely to furlough, assuming they can’t get enough takers for unpaid (or reduced hour) lines.

Mozam 05-09-2024 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 3800447)
Which makes management more likely to furlough, assuming they can’t get enough takers for unpaid (or reduced hour) lines.


Then bring back when they start getting planes or for the holidays? You think it was hard before the new contract to attract qualified pilots, furlough and see who would want to come here .



They are out of touch, but that not that out of touch. Furloughs will never happen with this event of the Boeing slow down .

e6bpilot 05-09-2024 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Mozam (Post 3800455)
Then bring back when they start getting planes or for the holidays? You think it was hard before the new contract to attract qualified pilots, furlough and see who would want to come here .



They are out of touch, but that not that out of touch. Furloughs will never happen with this event of the Boeing slow down .

Yuuuup. Won't stop them from trying to extract something from us, though. Furloughing pilots for a temporary supply issue would be the final death blow to any hiring plans they have for when the airplanes actually do get here.

flyguy81 05-09-2024 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3800477)
Yuuuup. Won't stop them from trying to extract something from us, though. Furloughing pilots for a temporary supply issue would be the final death blow to any hiring plans they have for when the airplanes actually do get here.

Recent upgrade class brief said company wanted 0 hr lines and SWAPA said, “no thanks”. So they’re negotiating some form of ETO where you’d have to stay current. No talk of furloughs at all.

hercretired 05-09-2024 07:02 PM

Furloughs are more cost intensive than just keeping guys around, with reduced flying but stil keep them current

Zard 05-09-2024 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 3800629)
Recent upgrade class brief said company wanted 0 hr lines and SWAPA said, “no thanks”. So they’re negotiating some form of ETO where you’d have to stay current. No talk of furloughs at all.


How about we say “there’s a contractual way to plus up the lines to guarantee. We’ll see yall at the early opener in 40
months.”

dammit swapa. Stop being cucks.

mulcher 05-09-2024 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 3800629)
Recent upgrade class brief said company wanted 0 hr lines and SWAPA said, “no thanks”. So they’re negotiating some form of ETO where you’d have to stay current. No talk of furloughs at all.

And SWApull will be foolish to entertain ETO. In the same breath the company is talking about adding Redeyes sooner. What furlough two months then need them back? Then again for two months then back again. But SWA never lets a crisis go to waste and this gullible group will fall for it.

flyguy81 05-10-2024 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by mulcher (Post 3800656)
And SWApull will be foolish to entertain ETO. In the same breath the company is talking about adding Redeyes sooner. What furlough two months then need them back? Then again for two months then back again. But SWA never lets a crisis go to waste and this gullible group will fall for it.

If some pilots want a ETO option vs flying garbage rigged trips for 16-17 off, I think it’s the union’s job to negotiate for all pilots. I’d hope that the quality of lines would improve with a smaller headcount, but they’d prob just reduce a few rsv/blank lines instead. I’d rather everyone get another 1-3 days off a month with green bars and make the trips better…

RJSAviator76 05-10-2024 06:17 AM

Bring on the green bars.


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