SWA cutting hours for pilots
#21
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We'll see what they come up with, but I sure hope that they give the line building for the rest of us some consideration, and stop spreading out less flying over more days.
#22
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One of the SWAPA reps said that the while details aren't done yet, it is very unlikely that there will be any ETO, zero hour lines etc. where you will have the ability to pick up flying on top of it.
We'll see what they come up with, but I sure hope that they give the line building for the rest of us some consideration, and stop spreading out less flying over more days.
We'll see what they come up with, but I sure hope that they give the line building for the rest of us some consideration, and stop spreading out less flying over more days.
#23
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This is 100%. In no way should the top percent be able to just go zero with pay while the rest of us suck up the remaining ****ty work with fewer days off. This needs to be equitable across the group. I feel like lines have already taken a dump since the contract and I feel like a poorly executed plan like they are talking about will only make things worse.
The lines are already the worst I've ever seen, and that's saying something. The last few months, there have been very few 12 day lines in my domicile, and exactly zero, weekday PM lines less than 13. The rest are all unproductive crap that pay guarantee or slightly more.
Is it too late for VSP?
#24
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#26
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We can't cut hours, we already were hiring ATP mins pilots.... Oh you mean monthly credit? Plenty of 100 TFP lines in June. Oh you mean in fall? That's normal and we have a min guarantee in the contract. I'll be thrilled to fly 3 3 days Worth 60 TFP for 87 TFP... Not like I'm expecting any profit sharing anytime soon anyway.
#27
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Moreso than your generation. Enjoy your retirement, BTW.
#30
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SWA has a small percentage of guys who would use this to stay artificially below the open time cap and make a killing flying short notice premium or quality straight time trips. The rest of us schmucks would have to stand in line behind them while we are out doing the drudgery that they should have been doing in the first place. The whole reason for any time off programs would be to reduce pilot head count on the line and, for the company at least, to reduce the amount they pay bringing pilots up to min guarantee. Allowing pilots a whole month off with no block or duty legalities to worry about would just create a subclass of super open time pilots who would aggressively use their status to destroy what is left of the open time market and completely dominate any open time awards. I don't think the union would ever allow that to happen, but they surprise us sometimes.
For those who don't know the system here, SWA has unlimited pickup for all pilots. Every pilot can fly every flight with the exception of a few ETOPS flights that most aren't qualified for. This creates a robust open time marketplace, but given the wrong circumstances, the balance can be easily tipped to where a few very senior pilots fly all the open time.
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