Common practice on the 757 on an RNAV… Dial it in once below and prior to 1000’ to ensure the aircraft not capturing the missed approach altitude. Spin too slow and hilarity ensues…


This ain’t no Airbus, man…

 

it has to do with flying the classics and the NG at the same time.

 

It has to do with flying a NG like a Classic. Anyone remember the 'steam gauge' NGs?

 

You all have some real geniuses writing your books over there. I saw a picture of a -700 set up like a classic and it was "interesting". And they paid for this option, lol.

 

it is what happens when the entire flight ops and training team are inbred

 

 

I think all of us could do a little better in putting our collective feet down and telling management "no, this is not a good idea". I wonder what IAN costs as an option from Boeing? I've flown the 73 with and without the option and it makes things a lot easier especially when you are tired and you haven't done a NPA in a long time. Our QRH now has a frickin 2 page briefing on how to do these approaches. It is absolutely ridiculous that we are out here doing these Rube Goldberg procedures to save a buck.

 

Yep I remember how many airlines had this setup. We only seem to have forogotten all the other companies that had this configuration.

At Southwest there are two types of approaches* these days, ILS or VNAV (RNAV, all ground based NPAs, etc). I assume most places are the same. This isn't shooting an ADF approach under a thunderstorm with a 30kt crosswind like back in the day. There are two different procedures that are mostly the same...take some ownership and study them. If you aren't proficent in an RNAV approach, program it in on a VFR day. Just about every runway with an ILS also has an RNAV approach. Maybe manage your own proficiency instead of coming to APC and compaling an RNAV approach is too hard because you had a few different buttons to press?

 

It ain't just a couple of button pushes sir. There are very specific procedures when cleared for approach when you can dial in a new altitude. There is another procedure for when you can set missed approach altitude. There is another procedure on when you have to manually edit RNP. There is another procedure if your GPS is deferred or it is blocked or no RAIM. There is another procedure if you are shooting a AR approach as far as missed approach procedures.

These are procedures you cannot commit to memory, nor should you. That is why there is a 2 page briefing that should be reviewed before you do the approach if you haven't done a lot of them recently. You sound like a guy in flight ops that approved this type ****. As far as coming to APC to complain.... LOL.

These approaches are f5cked up all the time at every company because they are very different than ILS's and they take all kinds of extra steps to accomplish correctly but you keep telling yourself that they are pretty much the same and if you cannot do them then you are just substandard and stupid. Must be nice to be so awesome at your job. Please tell us more about how great a pilot you are. I am sure your boyfriend is tired of hearing it.

 

Well, the new FLS approaches are becoming the non-precision answer IMO. Its an RNAV approach with the FMS generated glideslope.