Yup with the exception of CM under TW. But then again CM has been on the swapull teet ever since.

 

Oh, I agree you got shafted, but it would have been way worse under SL9. When I finally got to see SL9, I was like, "are you kidding me the MEC turned that down". But it was a few desperate loud mouths that convinced the MEC to kick it back and tell SWA hell no. It was more than obvious the unions at both airlines were self serving, when you consider SWAPA BOD voted all yes execpt for one no vote on SL9. And from what I'm hearing from over there, SWAPA has not changed much since then. Good luck man, I hope it all works out over there.

 

SWAPA has changed. Are there still a few self-serving types? Most likely. The biggest, and most important change has been the shift in the Pilot group. It’s a completely different mindset now. Very few koolaid drinkers I’ve come across vs. 15 years ago.

 

Seapull hasn’t changed one bit. I’ll agree the pilot group has through grass roots education. It has shown the true colors of the association. This is no different than any other swapull. Anyone know when CM will be back flying the line like the rest of us?

 

Now this is some funny sh!t....

 

I do standup on my days off. You should come check it out!

 

Our management meeting caught on video...

 

how is he getting paid now ?

 

go look at his board and the comments.

 

Thats interesting you brought up both airlines. Westjet started as a p2p(like SWA), as matter of fact one of the board members at SWA is Greg Saretsky(EM pick) former CEO of WestJet. They went from a p2p to a hub and spoke airline. A full service carrier. They code share with 25 plus airlines including Delta and United. They don't strictly belong to an alliance. WestJet also has a feeder called WestJet Encore that uses non WestJet pilots. The amount of code sharing they do definitly restricts real growth at WestJet.

Alaska Airlines is part of One World alliance. They also have a feeder of Horizon Air with non Alaska pilots. They just inherited a bunch of widebodies. And of course they are a hub and spoke airline. Both airlines have a different business model and are full service airlines compared to SWA.

Bottom line is SWA in none of those things. If you want them to adapt to the "new world" you better be ready to pay a price for it. As of today SWAPA pilots fly 100% of all SWA flights. The only airline to do that of the big four. SWAPA has the best scope in the industry. Delta has 5400 flights a day. How many of those do you think Delta pilots actually work? Since SWA business model relys heavily on O&D(p2p system), it would need to have some heavy connections to fill a widebody. Which means hub and spoke. Which means a feeder. SWA's cost structure is such that a feeder would be cost prohibitive to operate under the SWAPA CBA. If a scenario would come up with something like that, you will be trading widebodies for a regional feed with non SWA pilots. 11,000 pilots would have say but amount of real organic growth would be very slow. I'm not saying it won't happen, just something to think about.