That's it. 2008. We had some really weird sporadic hiring in the 08-13 timeframe. Similar to today's displacement situation but much, much worse. I had friends (who lived in a base) commuting cross country to Oakland reserve for years. Reserve wasn't commutable so they would finish, have to get a hotel, commute home the next day, spend the next day at home, and then commute back to Oakland the following day and get a hotel. Brutal. We could probably go back and mine some posts from back then to get a little perspective on how bad it was. The industry really is feast or famine and it turns on a dime. Back then, everyone was furloughed, age 65 just became a thing, and nobody was hiring. Now it feels like the opposite and yet we are still in a situation with cross country long term displacements. Crazy.

How does it work at United, for example, with multiple fleet types and their cascading displacements after 9/11 or the recession? I would imagine similar to ours, go where you can hold and the junior keep getting flushed out. Juniority has always sucked, but we have been making strides to make it a little more palatable (i.e. Reserve, ROR). Things suck when there's no to very little movement. In late 2021 we had guys getting displaced West because the company started upgrading before they started hiring. They couldn't bring back the FO's on EXTO fast enough, because they let so many instructors take VSP. They didn't want to hire with FO's on leave even though that did eventually happen.

Also, at a prior carrier, we essentially had what you're saying we should have here due to the company manipulating language. They forced displacements where ever they wanted. You could be more senior than junior pilots at a base closest to you, but still sent where ever the company needed pilots. The worst example was pilots getting displaced out of an East coast domicile to Hawaii.

As much as displacements suck, I think our current system does a good job of honoring seniority vs ROR.
You will never get kicked out of a base unless there is a negative vacancy. That's fair. Yeah, it does suck to see someone from out of town come in and take your spot, but that only happens when there is a negative vacancy in your base and they presumably got kicked out of their spot as well.

At UAL they don’t do monthly bids. They do like 4-5 a year because of the training float. Effective date could be months down the road and they’re given pay protection if not in training by a certain date.

During Covid and 9/11, etc they issue a bid with reductions which is similar to a vacancy. Guys might be sitting at home with pay waiting for a training date if their plane is parked or lose their seat/fleet.

Thats not correct. There does not need to be a negative vacancy in your base to be displaced by someone senior to you who was displaced from theirs.

Oh man that blows then. I thought we had fixed that in this contract. So you can still have a +5 in your base and lose your spot if 10 displacements come in?

Correct.

And to add to that, ROR of return does nothing for you until there's a positive vacancy in your ROR base. Month after month, I've been watching people voluntarily bid into the base I got displaced out of, despite having ROR. It's incredibly frustrating.

[QUOTE=flyguy81;3941530]At UAL they don’t do monthly bids. They do like 4-5 a year because of the

Are you getting kicked out of your base?

[QUOTE=hoover;3941553]Not yet…this “ATL drawdown” is making a mess of DEN though. Based on the last projection I’ll be in the bottom 20. At one point I had almost 100 below me. They keep this up and I might be commuting by end of the year.

yep. I live in Los Angeles and have been commuting to BWI the last year and a half. Kills to see senior people flowing into LA that weren’t even displaced.