You people really need to stop your whining This is what gives flight-crews a bad name. You do not see anybody in headquarters complaining about paid parking working holidays or dry fish on Friday in the cafeteria . You are lucky you even have this app after they took the other one , that worked awesome , away from you .

 

Almost got the correct thread!

 

I just caught that .


I was referencing crewsnub. It been a long week already

 

I dunno about "everyone else" but for little plane military folks like me, any sim evals would be basically pulled out of our nether regions.
"Do your normal flow" -- What's a flow?
"Just preflight however your usually preflight" -- Ok, where does the ejection seat pin go and how do I give the hand signal for my wingman to start his/her engine?

Turn everything off and then turn everything on doesn't translate well from an F-teen to a 737. So I was personally glad I didn't have to do a sim check, since I would have had to do it completely cold and falling back literally 100% on pitch/power/trim basics because almost nothing crossed over, and the entire sim check would end up being hand-flown in a plane I'd never flown before. Not a good look unless you want me to demo simulator aerobatics, in which case yea I could probably do that without an over-G or overspeed just by looking out the window. Going from a plane with either no autopilot or a rudimentary altitude/heading hold autopilot, tacan only, with a hud, to a 737 sim check wouldn't really tell anyone very much except my ability to BS my way through something I was making up as I went along. And that's what the scenario event walk-through was for.

 

That's pretty much the reason why they quit doing them. Sim checks became a cottage industry for the interview prep folks. Pilots were spending thousands of dollars getting multiple sim sessions to prepare them for a very specific profile that their company of choice was putting on. Of course they all rocked it because they had spent the time and money and prepared and so that became the expectation.

 

I'm also in the "what's the point" camp on interview sim evals at the major airline level. Presumably you've got some decent amount of turbine experience and several successful training events behind you by that point. If a candidate lacks BAI skills, that's going to show itself well before they get to the line. Sure it costs money for people to wash out in training, but does ithat cost more money than running your sims for hundreds/thousands of interviews a year? I doubt it. And come on, these interviews are nerve-wracking enough without sticking you in an unfamiliar jet and asking you to fly a profile or blow the opportunity. In your interview suit. Blah. That's not very real-world and doesn't tell you what you're trying to learn about a candidate very well.

 

This is not necessarily the case anymore.

and I'm not concerned about the cost to the company of running sim evaluations. I'm more concerned by people who slip through the cracks and make it to the line lacking the ability to hand fly the airplane to ATP standards.

 

Those people will go get sim prep at great cost to them and blow the sim check out of the water.

I normally agree with all things Zap, but we have seen this play out already. They did away with them sim in the interview because pilots are pilots and will stop at nothing to prepare themselves. Pretty soon everyone has to get the prep or they will look bad at the interview. The only people who make out are the companies that offer prep in some broke assed janky 737-300 sim.

The real losers are the people without the money or time to get the prep, which would probably cover a lot of the marginalized folks that should be getting an opportunity at this profession.

I am a big believer in making training more of a jeopardy event. It was ridiculously easy when we went through, and they have only very recently started treating it as something that covers various experience levels.

 

I always love your posts Zap and I do enjoy this one too, but if you’re referring to the group of low-time turbine flyers that were hired over that 12-15 month period, the experience level issue has passed. They’ve built more Part 121 experience now and gotten stronger (all of us still always learning though), and things are moving on. With the exception of D225, it’s hard to see us not go back to Turbine PIC time required once street hiring finally resumes. The stack of people waiting to get here have a lot more experience now.

If a person lacks or lacked BAI skills, it will most often be noticeable in their training records from their previous employer. And I agree with e6bpilot: our training department and standards should crack the whip if someone is not up to snuff. They are the gatekeeper and shouldn’t let someone slip on through.

 

That concern is totally warranted, but it seems like something best addressed at the initial training level versus sticking the guy/gal in a sim on their interview day and deciding off that. Too many variables there to draw a useful conclusion in my opinion. I'd like to think there aren't that many newbies showing up on the line without basic flying skills, but I don't have the experience you do so maybe I'm wrong.