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The best option is co-terminals but the boomers freaked out. Company can just add bases without our approval. I suspect there will be a few satellite bases announced (SAN, SMF, TPA) and a main bases of MCI. We are our own worst enemy sometimes.
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That is something SWAPA may have to look into at some point if this keeps up. Unfortunately nothing will change until the next bargaining cycle. Big loop hole from a network that doesn’t exist anymore.
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How would that kill OT?
Weather would still happen. Vacation pulls would still happen. Mil leave pulls would still happen. Jury duty pulls, bereavement, etc. Those are the things that feed OT.
If it saves the company a few bucks, they will likely do it again and again.
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How would that kill OT?
Weather would still happen. Vacation pulls would still happen. Mil leave pulls would still happen. Jury duty pulls, bereavement, etc. Those are the things that feed OT.
If it saves the company a few bucks, they will likely do it again and again.
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How would that kill OT?
Weather would still happen. Vacation pulls would still happen. Mil leave pulls would still happen. Jury duty pulls, bereavement, etc. Those are the things that feed OT.
If it saves the company a few bucks, they will likely do it again and again.
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My point about the displacements is that hopefully this is just a realignment not an annual event. Something to persevere through not something to continually endure.
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The way we do displacements here makes it 2x - 3x worse, but we wrote that into the contract so it's all on us.
If displaced pilots were moved only to bases that had openings, that would be the end of it. Instead, almost every displacement causes a secondary displacement. Then the next month those secondary displacements cause even more secondary displacements. Ultimately 2x to 3x the number of pilots are displaced, because that's how we said it should work in the contract.
It's not how I'd do it if I was king, but I'm not. And the people who actually LIKE the current system that causes so many displacements are extremely vocal about it, in the name of seniority. The only argument for or against how our displacements work can be simplified to "this is how we defined one aspect of seniority and we (should/should not) change it."
We define seniority completely differently in other parts of the contract. Displacements is the ONLY section of the contract where a pilot can take another pilot's bid award. The ONLY place. Everywhere else, once you're awarded something nobody but the company can take it from you.
Whether you like the current displacement process or not, it's disingenuous to try to hide behind the "seniority" argument without acknowledging that this is the ONLY part of the contract where a pilot can take another pilot's bid award, because we defined seniority differently here than we did elsewhere in the contract. Once you get past that indisputable fact, the rest is just your personal opinion, how much noise can you make, and how many votes can you generate next time the contract is up for revision. Just don't go so low as to try to pretend that this is one of the 7 divine rights of seniority or some such nonsense, because it's not. It's a contract definition that is unique in the SWA contract in that it gives one pilot the ability to simply take another pilot's bid award, whether you like it or not, whether you want to admit it or not.
The closest other contract provision to this "seniority" power is extra fly, where we can take a reserve assignment. But even with that, it's really an assignment not a bid award, there are established boundaries and speed bumps in the form of ownership preferences, and other limits on how and when a reserve award can be taken by someone else. Nowhere else can a pilot simply take a bid award from another pilot.
If displaced pilots were moved only to bases that had openings, that would be the end of it. Instead, almost every displacement causes a secondary displacement. Then the next month those secondary displacements cause even more secondary displacements. Ultimately 2x to 3x the number of pilots are displaced, because that's how we said it should work in the contract.
It's not how I'd do it if I was king, but I'm not. And the people who actually LIKE the current system that causes so many displacements are extremely vocal about it, in the name of seniority. The only argument for or against how our displacements work can be simplified to "this is how we defined one aspect of seniority and we (should/should not) change it."
We define seniority completely differently in other parts of the contract. Displacements is the ONLY section of the contract where a pilot can take another pilot's bid award. The ONLY place. Everywhere else, once you're awarded something nobody but the company can take it from you.
Whether you like the current displacement process or not, it's disingenuous to try to hide behind the "seniority" argument without acknowledging that this is the ONLY part of the contract where a pilot can take another pilot's bid award, because we defined seniority differently here than we did elsewhere in the contract. Once you get past that indisputable fact, the rest is just your personal opinion, how much noise can you make, and how many votes can you generate next time the contract is up for revision. Just don't go so low as to try to pretend that this is one of the 7 divine rights of seniority or some such nonsense, because it's not. It's a contract definition that is unique in the SWA contract in that it gives one pilot the ability to simply take another pilot's bid award, whether you like it or not, whether you want to admit it or not.
The closest other contract provision to this "seniority" power is extra fly, where we can take a reserve assignment. But even with that, it's really an assignment not a bid award, there are established boundaries and speed bumps in the form of ownership preferences, and other limits on how and when a reserve award can be taken by someone else. Nowhere else can a pilot simply take a bid award from another pilot.
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