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Old 03-26-2026 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by wallyp34
No offense, but I don’t think anyone at b6 is hoping for a tie up with you either.
you would be lucky if we did. Good thing it’s not going to happen
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Old 03-26-2026 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Traffic Alert
you would be lucky if we did. Good thing it’s not going to happen
Friendly, is that you?
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Old 03-26-2026 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mozam
With ATA , WN took all the assets they wanted. The Muse pilot where going to get integrated with some seniority , untill they decided they wanted more.


Saying the muse pilots were not merged is an understatement .
But it wasn’t purchased per se—ATA sold the assets after bankruptcy in 2008–not a “merger/acquisition” like being discussed.
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Old 03-26-2026 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mozam
This place is merciless when acquiring another airline , Muse , Morris ,ATA, AT. Turnaround is going to be brutal if and when WN is the one being purchased. . I can hear it now , the judge or the mediator explaining to SWAPA how this is how you’ve always done it.

WN isn’t alone. Just reference whenever AA bought TWA, or when Airlines got the PanAm Shuttle. Anytime there’s a merger/aquisition, everyone’s ready with their stapler. Probably why the National Seniority List didn’t get traction back in the day. Care should be taken tho, because today’s prince of the prom could very easily be tomorrow’s toad.
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Old 03-28-2026 | 05:13 AM
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No way United would get through the DOJ. Southwest “might” make it through the DOJ, because of the route structures compatibility. However, US Market share would likely knock Southwest out from DOJ perspective. From a Market Share perspective Alaska would have the best chance of getting through the DOJ.

However, the aircraft mix, corporate cultures, and economic challenges are likely going to be a bridge too far for any of them. BJ is barely managing the ship as it is and Alaska still has potholes to fix from the Hawaiian merger.

It is going to be an uphill climb for B6 to get anyone to the alter.

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Old 03-28-2026 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by leftseattoo
No way United would get through the DOJ. Southwest “might” make it through the DOJ, because of the route structures compatibility. However, US Market share would likely knock Southwest out from DOJ perspective. From a Market Share perspective Alaska would have the best chance of getting through the DOJ.

However, the aircraft mix, corporate cultures, and economic challenges are likely going to be a bridge too far for any of them. BJ is barely managing the ship as it is and Alaska still has potholes to fix from the Hawaiian merger.
Generally would tend to agree. But the wildcard is this administration... I wouldn't strictly rule out *any* merger, unless you think it's so bad that SCOTUS would intervene.
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Old 03-28-2026 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Generally would tend to agree. But the wildcard is this administration... I wouldn't strictly rule out *any* merger, unless you think it's so bad that SCOTUS would intervene.
Did Biden or his DOJ have anything to do with the failed B6/NK merger? I thought it was a lone Fed judge….plenty of rogue judges under Trump.
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Old 03-28-2026 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
Did Biden or his DOJ have anything to do with the failed B6/NK merger? I thought it was a lone Fed judge….plenty of rogue judges under Trump.
This whole thing got hashed out on APC, so I won’t go into details, but it was a mix of an extremely misguided judge, an airline with buyers remorse, and the feds refusing to put their finger on the scale. To me, that merger was a slam dunk and in hindsight would have saved Spirit.

In the current administration, it would appear that big donors who show fealty get their mergers pushed through no matter the size of their empire. I think this would probably apply to Paul Singer, but Elliot is out of the picture, so I can’t imagine a scenario where any of the large airlines get a merger pushed through just because it would upset the four way balance of power that has largely existed for the last 15 years.
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Old 03-28-2026 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
This whole thing got hashed out on APC, so I won’t go into details, but it was a mix of an extremely misguided judge, an airline with buyers remorse, and the feds refusing to put their finger on the scale. To me, that merger was a slam dunk and in hindsight would have saved Spirit.

In the current administration, it would appear that big donors who show fealty get their mergers pushed through no matter the size of their empire. I think this would probably apply to Paul Singer, but Elliot is out of the picture, so I can’t imagine a scenario where any of the large airlines get a merger pushed through just because it would upset the four way balance of power that has largely existed for the last 15 years.
Agree it should’ve been approved. F9/NK would’ve been even more seamless.
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Old 03-28-2026 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
F9/NK would’ve been even more seamless.
Yea. All they'd have had to do is repaint the planes to put a critter on the tails, quit doing routine MX so the MEL lists pile up, and cancel everyone's vacations while they negotiate the merger and next contract. Simple stuff like that.
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