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Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification.

Yep good catch—I forgot to add that info.

Congrats to our new captains and welcome to the new hires.

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Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 4027749)

No I am not that naive. It's a problem. At some point, though, we need to stop crying about it and start doing something about it. Also, Denver got the biggest bite taken. The agents of change work for us. They don't come to APC to get the pulse of the pilot group. They respond to direct pressure.

Again, I am relatively unharmed. I voluntarily moved my base when things got tight in Denver. I would still be there if I chose to be. One of the very few benefits of commuting is the ability to work anywhere in the system without it making much of a QOL difference. I still believe an actual domicile right of return with any vacancy is the right thing to do even though I receive zero benefit from it.

Pilots are going to complain, I get it. It's just gotten kind of old after a year of hearing the exact same things again and again. We get it.

I'd quit whining about it if people would at least pretend to give a crap. Half the people I talk to when they ask "Where ya based?" have little to no idea how many people are displaced. Or how ROR works. It's easy to be sheltered when something doesn't affect you....like going out on disability. I've never been out on disability in 20+ years flying 121...but I knew it was a problem...because people beat us over the head enough telling us so. So I filled out all the surveys saying it needs to get fixed. I answered all the polling phone calls saying it needs to get fixed. I walked a picket line....so it would get fixed. It's never affected me...I don't know anyone personally that was out on disability under previous CBA's. If everyone shut up and quit talking about it because "It's been a year so get over it....we get it already"...I seriously doubt we'd have the LOL deal we have now.

Until it becomes a hot button issue like LOL....I'm not stopping. Don't like it? Hit the ignore button. This affects a lot more than 250 DEN people.

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Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 4027910)

You are right, there are a lot of pilots who don’t even know we have hundreds displaced for going on 2+ years now.

The problem is the loudest people are just whining, and even worse … the first angry proposal they make is to restrict other pilot’s ability to move.

How about every displaced pilot hand out stickers that say:

“restrict the company, NOT the pilots”

or

“deadheads before displacements”

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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 4028004)

How about every displaced pilot hand out stickers that say:

“restrict the company, NOT the pilots”

or

“deadheads before displacements”

.

Our contracts don't restrict the company per se, but they extract costs on company's chosen behavior and I like that. LCO is the great example of that.... we bid a certain trip, sequence or layover. Prior to this contract, unless moved up, it really didn't cost the company much to trample all over us with reroutes. Now it does via LCO, LDO, GTO, etc. I think there need to be substantially higher contractual costs on the company with respect to displacements.

Another point we agree on Profane... what's this world coming to?