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Originally Posted by CA1900
(Post 4027747)
It affected me too, and I was never based there. But a bunch of the displaced pushed me out my base, and then I couldn't get back in for months. If ROR awarded any displaced pilot before voluntary bids, I'd have been back in a month. But the language isn't written that way, and voluntary bidders were able to come in ahead of me, month after month, all because the ROR language is very weak. I think that's the issue most of us have a problem with. And with no positive-space commute language and very minimal hotel coverage for displaced pilots, the cost of displacements makes it the cheap, easy option. I hope we'll work to rectify that in the next CBA.
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Originally Posted by Zard
(Post 4027750)
Seniority is a b but it’s the system we live under.
I believe displacements are another area where domicile stability in our pilots' lives should be a higher priority than just seniority. Nobody displaced? Then seniority wins. Displaced pilots waiting to get back home? They should have priority on all awards -- not just positive vacancy numbers. Just like Open Time Priority puts junior guys ahead of senior bidders in MOT when they are put below guarantee due to overlap drops. It's all in what we negotiate. |
Originally Posted by CA1900
(Post 4027767)
True, but it's not everything. We have plenty of negotiated CBA items that aren't 100% seniority-based. The open time cap, out-of-base/on-vacation open time rules, open time priority, the new vacation bidding system, even the current ROR language (when there are positive vacancy numbers) -- all of those provisions supersede seniority to a degree.
I believe displacements are another area where domicile stability in our pilots' lives should be a higher priority than just seniority. Nobody displaced? Then seniority wins. Displaced pilots waiting to get back home? They should have priority on all awards -- not just positive vacancy numbers. Just like Open Time Priority puts junior guys ahead of senior bidders in MOT when they are put below guarantee due to overlap drops. It's all in what we negotiate. I disagree, but each of us gets a vote. 93% of us voted for the displacement and right of return language as written, which is an improvement over what it was. Every time we react to something to fix perceived unfairness, we seem to pay the price in a loss of flexibility. |
Originally Posted by at6d
(Post 4025951)
Bid is out.
Junior CA: AUS 135K ATL 77K BNA 132K BWI 137K DAL 124K DEN 117K HOU 137K LAS E 106K LAS 131K LAX 136K MCO 133K MDW 135K PHX 130K Junior FO: ATL 187K AUS 198K BNA 186K BWI 201K DAL 183K DEN 179K HOU 199K LAS 187K LAS E 185K LAX 128K MCO 200K MDW 200K OAK 187K PHX 179K I counted two displaced captains and 24 ROR. |
Originally Posted by mjdj7177
(Post 4027770)
Forgive me, please for my ignorance on this, but what do the numbers next to the cities mean? How do you dechiper what the junior base is for say F’O’s and Captains?
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Has LAX really gotten that senior for FOs?
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Originally Posted by SlightlyAvg
(Post 4027773)
They're the first 3 digits of a 6 digit employee #. While it technically isn't a direct measure of seniority, it's close enough. The larger the number the more junior that base is and vice versa.
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Originally Posted by Zard
(Post 4027769)
I disagree, but each of us gets a vote....
Every time we react to something to fix perceived unfairness, we seem to pay the price in a loss of flexibility. |
Originally Posted by elvis16
(Post 4027775)
Has LAX really gotten that senior for FOs?
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Originally Posted by elvis16
(Post 4027775)
Has LAX really gotten that senior for FOs?
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