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flyguy81 04-22-2026 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 4026549)
yeah, I think I saw HNL in there as well.
Idk how SAN keeps making that list with only 1 runway?

Because Sutcliffe only staffs based on RON’s without considering things like 1 runway or a squall line shutting down 2-3 bases.


hoover 04-23-2026 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Socalpt6 (Post 4026578)
I don’t see how only having 1 runway matters. It *already* only has one runway. Making it a base to lesson overnights in an expensive city doesn’t make it any more or less busy. A base won’t change the daily flight schedule.

- a guy against more bases

honestly besides the old adage of RONs I have no idea how they pick a base but id think 1 runway would limit the ability to expand, therefore, if it's not already a base why make it one since it can't expand much more.

Meanwhile over at STL and MCI we have two shuttles going to the airport almost every time I overnight there.

But yes, I agree. No more bases

REF 5 04-23-2026 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 4026603)
Because Sutcliffe only staffs based on RON’s without considering things like 1 runway or a squall line shutting down 2-3 bases.

If you think Sutcliffe makes that decision, I got some swamp land to sell you. SWA has been using that formula before that guy was even born. He is the analytics department. Decisions are not solely based on the one dude. It’s a money decision. Pure and simple. Unfortunately it’s at your expense and the people that live in DEN. When the time comes to do SEP process for scheduling, make sure your voice is heard. The problem is the majority of the eleven thousand plus will also have to make displacements high on the “must list.” Big loop hole for sure. Hopefully it gets addressed one way or the other.

hoover 04-23-2026 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by REF 5 (Post 4026766)
If you think Sutcliffe makes that decision, I got some swamp land to sell you. SWA has been using that formula before that guy was even born. He is the analytics department. Decisions are not solely based on the one dude. It’s a money decision. Pure and simple. Unfortunately it’s at your expense and the people that live in DEN. When the time comes to do SEP process for scheduling, make sure your voice is heard. The problem is the majority of the eleven thousand plus will also have to make displacements high on the “must list.” Big loop hole for sure. Hopefully it gets addressed one way or the other.

does he not decide where the planes RON? Or does he just do the videos where he tells hundreds they are getting displaced then laughs at a stupid joke 2 min later?

flyguy81 04-23-2026 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 4026773)
does he not decide where the planes RON? Or does he just do the videos where he tells hundreds they are getting displaced then laughs at a stupid joke 2 min later?

network planning moves the planes around where they’re most efficient based on load factors, etc and crew planning decides how that gets staffed.

so when network planning decides that 15 airplanes will no longer be overnighting in DEN because of RE flying, Sutcliffe and his dept have to decide if the lines will comply with the CBA without the EMO’s (can’t have EMO’s with no plane). They decided they couldn’t comply with the CBA and/or it wasn’t the best crew utilization…so they displaced people.

Since Crew planing builds the lines…I want to know who the moron was that thought it was a smart, efficient use of crew utilization to kick people out of DEN to LAS and then having LAS trips with 3 DEN overnights.

flyguy81 04-23-2026 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by REF 5 (Post 4026766)
If you think Sutcliffe makes that decision, I got some swamp land to sell you. SWA has been using that formula before that guy was even born. He is the analytics department. Decisions are not solely based on the one dude. It’s a money decision. Pure and simple. Unfortunately it’s at your expense and the people that live in DEN. When the time comes to do SEP process for scheduling, make sure your voice is heard. The problem is the majority of the eleven thousand plus will also have to make displacements high on the “must list.” Big loop hole for sure. Hopefully it gets addressed one way or the other.

Displacements affect everyone not in the top 30%. If you’re 60% pre-displacement you can typically hold half the weekends off and are a hard line holder. After displacement you’re now 80% and forced into blanks with weekend flying. Or you went from blanks to weekend reserve. More cushion behind you helps your relative seniority…seniority drop = QOL drop. It doesn’t simply just affect those forcibly removed.

e6bpilot 04-23-2026 02:29 PM

Yeah I am not sure why we are talking about new bases. We aren’t even done staffing the one they just created out of thin air and corporate welfare.
My personal take on San Diego is that it has become just another big airport since they opened the new terminal. Granted, construction isn’t doing them any favors, but San Diego has firmly hit the practical boundaries of its capacity with a single runway that has some San Dieg-isms when it comes to switching directions due to wind or weather. It has gotten to the point where big delays are common and things just don’t move like they should. It used to be a very dependable and quick station to turn a lot of flights, but it has become bogged down with everyone trying to shove as much capacity in there as they possibly can.

MudhammedCJ 04-23-2026 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 4026883)
network planning moves the planes around where they’re most efficient based on load factors, etc and crew planning decides how that gets staffed.

so when network planning decides that 15 airplanes will no longer be overnighting in DEN because of RE flying, Sutcliffe and his dept have to decide if the lines will comply with the CBA without the EMO’s (can’t have EMO’s with no plane). They decided they couldn’t comply with the CBA and/or it wasn’t the best crew utilization…so they displaced people.

Since Crew planing builds the lines…I want to know who the moron was that thought it was a smart, efficient use of crew utilization to kick people out of DEN to LAS and then having LAS trips with 3 DEN overnights.

Did you get that line at least? Would take the sting out of it a little.

flyguy81 04-23-2026 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by MudhammedCJ (Post 4027141)
Did you get that line at least? Would take the sting out of it a little.

I went from 98% to 73% so my schedule got way better on paper…still have to commute to work it which is a QOL suck.

Personally, I’d rather sit rsv at home and drive to work. We’ll see if I can get back before summer is over…secondary vacancies aren’t helping and there’s no plans for any + vacancies in DEN anytime soon.

DirkDiggler9999 04-23-2026 10:15 PM

What’s Sutcliffe’s background?


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