I would bet on that. If anyone has plans in the summertime, I would definitely adjust your vacancy bid . Dallas just put something out to the chief pilots mentioning this.

I think what ****es me off the most is being displaced and then seeing trios in the new base’s bid pack where there’s almost an entire month of 4 days with DEN overnights. Yes, they’re paying you to hotel in a base they kicked people out of to…wait for it….do LGA turns for 2 days. Yeah…stealing day trips from DEN to staff LAS, etc.

Crew planning is run by a bunch of morons.

Explain what you would do with the language to help the displaced people, because everything I've read so far would bite you. If you're a CA you can currently downgrade into your base of choice. If you want all displaced people ahead of anyone new for secondary vacancies you wouldn't be able to downgrade into your base of choice. You would be stuck as a displaced CA. We have got to stop eroding seniority. The only thing to do with the language, in my eyes, is make it more expensive for the company and maybe force them into a different staffing model. On the staffing model front, SWAPA has been talking about scope lately, and one of the things they brought up is how the legacys use block hours for their stafffing model for wide bodies. This is how it should be done. If it were done this way, DEN wouldn't have shrank a fraction of what it did.

TLDR version, stop going after your fellow pilots and go after the company for the language.

This has been beaten to death, but yeah, displaced pilots should absolutely get in prior to someone coming from another base. It’s domicile right of return, not domicile right of return if you happen to have a positive vacancy showing. Everybody is sick of hearing about it, but we wouldn’t be hearing about it still if the language had been fixed (other than Denver which is an outlier). The way they run it as basically two separate vacancies is baffling and makes no sense unless you consider that they didn’t have to reprogram the computer to do it this way.

I have no skin in the displacement game as I am a commuter who has the seniority horsepower to hold pretty much anywhere I want, but the way we are bumping people out of a base and then allowing someone senior to them back into that same base even though they hold “domicile right of return” makes no sense. I would be perfectly fine if I bid into Denver and saw that someone junior to me with DRR got the vacancy and not me.

And yeah, the other language needs fixed too. TAD lines, all hotels paid, whatever it takes to make it hurt enough that the company never does Denver again.

yeah 8 guess 136/137s were hired in 2018…that was just a swag without looking at DOHs. But 128s were hired in 2017

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let's remember the guy who wrote the language is a fulll time trip pull union member who takes time off from the union during the summer during his vacation and moves bases to credit 300+ tfp then bid back and goes on full time pull.

My thoughts for next language.

nobody gets into a base above a ROR unless the pilot is downgrading into the ROR base.

Company must provide positive space to any base for assigned trips for any any pilot with RoR base and hotels for five years.

This should be retroactive.

It would be a long time before we had new displacements.

Their pain = our gain

All of this did not affect me but I feel horrible for the Denver guys and my vote will be to protect all us from this ever happening again.

He needed to pull that move, for when he interviewed for a VP position with the company. He will fit in well when he moves across the table officially. .

If anyone wants to see any real changes in the next contract to these items, start by sweeping out the garbage. The pilots that allowed the implementation schedule, the useless right of return language, the 10+ year vacation change timeline... If any of that is important to you, sweep out the garbage. You can find them by looking for the dudes that never fly all year and then pull in 200+ trips in a month in the summer while they "enjoy" their vacation.

Edit: I see was beat to the punch by a few posts 👆