AT and SWA SLI: How to make it work.
08-24-2011, 03:51 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Whale Driver,
Great post. I agree with everything except the part that I bolded above. I don't think the average LUV pilot is arrogant. I know a bunch of them and they are pretty much great guys.
I do agree that there is a "perception" of arrogance which is sustained by a few knuckleheads via internet forums. I have heard the same thing said of DAL Pilots by DCI Pilots, "DAL Pilots won't even look at you in the terminal." I usually try to smile and say hello to all Pilots and have found a lot of commuter pilots don't even notice.
Scoop
Great post. I agree with everything except the part that I bolded above. I don't think the average LUV pilot is arrogant. I know a bunch of them and they are pretty much great guys.
I do agree that there is a "perception" of arrogance which is sustained by a few knuckleheads via internet forums. I have heard the same thing said of DAL Pilots by DCI Pilots, "DAL Pilots won't even look at you in the terminal." I usually try to smile and say hello to all Pilots and have found a lot of commuter pilots don't even notice.
Scoop
08-24-2011, 04:00 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
From your own company's stated culture, was the proposed SLI "embracing the SWA family, exercising the Golden Rule, and putting others first?"
Since you and your coworkers are so emotionally attached to this deal, I think you're failing to see a less biased viewpoint that's based on your company's values.
Since you and your coworkers are so emotionally attached to this deal, I think you're failing to see a less biased viewpoint that's based on your company's values.
Negotiating in bad faith is not exercising the golden rule.
08-24-2011, 04:10 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey
Who's emotional? I didn't think that it was a great deal. Negotiations are done.
Negotiating in bad faith is not exercising the golden rule.
Negotiating in bad faith is not exercising the golden rule.
Negotiations aren't done. The mediation window is open until September 30th.
Unless, of course, you are saying that SWAPA is done negotiating in good faith and wants to immediately proceed to arbitration.
Personally, I would prefer a negotiated agreement.
08-24-2011, 04:24 PM
#36
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Mediation is mandatory between SWAPA and ALPA. You won't see SWAPA putting forward the same plan that GK drew up. That offer is gone. I'd prefer negotiated as well, I'm saying that the odds of something more favorable for either of us in mediation isn't good. Why would SWAPA negotiate anything with AirTran's team when the MEC believes that they can just say no to another AIP and use it as a baseline for future negotiations? That's negotiating in bad faith. If the AIP wasn't good enough for you, there really isn't any point in mediation. You have a certain expectation of what you deserve, I understand that.
It would have done a lot of good for both sides to be able to pass a negotiated agreement. That can't happen if the negotiations are a fraud.
It would have done a lot of good for both sides to be able to pass a negotiated agreement. That can't happen if the negotiations are a fraud.
08-24-2011, 04:27 PM
#37
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I'm having trouble understanding the staple thing. Only 50 pilots AT were at the bottom with 200+ SWA guys then the 650 "stapled" AT pilots. I was informed before they don't count. So if you take the "stapled" that count as the bottom, then they have 4 years, the last SWA pilot above them was a 2008 new hire. So it was not worth the benefits for a 4 year AT guy to be behind a 3 year SWA guy? Apparently so but I don't see the big "staple"
08-24-2011, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Lasttoknow
I'm having trouble understanding the staple thing. Only 50 pilots AT were at the bottom with 200+ SWA guys then the 650 "stapled" AT pilots. I was informed before they don't count. So if you take the "stapled" that count as the bottom, then they have 4 years, the last SWA pilot above them was a 2008 new hire. So it was not worth the benefits for a 4 year AT guy to be behind a 3 year SWA guy? Apparently so but I don't see the big "staple"
