As a fifth year, junior FO, I can only hope enough SW pilots truly take the sage advice that the Delta pilots are giving on this thread. Scope is an absolute "no-go" item.

Here is my prediction though, Gary and senior mgmt will eventually throw just enough money at the "problem" to get a 51% vote from the pilot group to get a concession on our scope language. It is futile and noble to think that our pilot group will hold together to make a unified stand in favor of visionary, long term growth.

Historical evidence reveals, the only thing pilots love more than flying airplanes is taking $1 today and giving away the bag of gold tomorrow.

I quoted both of these because they bear repeating!!!!

We have fought for scope and exhausted much negotiating capital to get where we are today. In the very last section 6 we strengthened our CBA language regarding scope and it cost us. Why would we turn around and deal it away now? SWAPA needs to learn from the collective hardship of the industry and stand strong on scope. ANY scope erosion is a definite no vote from me, I desperately hope I'm not alone!

Not alone Shoelu. We've worked way too hard to let our careers at Southwest be ruined by caving on Scope. I'm willing to listen and learn at the future contract road shows but I don't trust the company at all to live by the terms of any scope agreements much less the "intent and spirit" of such agreements therefore I'm a NO vote on scope relaxation.

Bring back Herb !!!

It's pretty simple. The company has a hard-on for "code sharing" "interlining" "marketing agreements" or any other buzzword they can use to describe how they want to gain additional revenue/passengers without using Southwest pilots. As of now they can't do it, so I'm in no rush to be bought off so they can "code share" me out of an upgrade or even a job if we allow them to go far enough.

As of now they also won't be able to operate their new 737 Max come the fall of 2017. "Heart 12" or whatever slogan they want to name it will look really nice parked next to the GO. Maybe they can host their spirit parties in the cabin since it wont be full of southwest customers.

Lastly we need to see "Improvements" in our agreement not concessions. Southwest is making record profits every quarter and even if they weren't near a Billion dollars, the company has never lost a penny. The way the company spins it you would think we are nearing bankruptcy.

Full Retro

Industry Leading wages

No Changes to Section 1

No givebacks

Otherwise it's just another day of Retro Pay!!!

A little off topic but I just wanted to thank the SW crew who got me home tonight. I'm a Delta Bubba based in ATL, commuting from MCO, Delta hosed me on a 3hr late flight and there was no way I was getting home.... until I ran over to C concourse. The gate agent was great, the flight crew was busy as it was nearly push time, but still welcomed me, and about 5 other jumpseaters, (DL and JB) and the cabin crew was funny goofing on those of us in uniform.

I don't often get to JS on SW, this was only my second time in the past 10 years or so, but both times everyone from the agents to crews were all great.

So thanks for getting me home tonight, whom ever was flying the 6:25pm ATL-MCO.

Oh, and I voted NFW on the DL TA last month, too many concessions, especially in Scope as Carl points out above. I already gave away my retirement and 42% of my pay to 'save Delta' 10 years ago, I'm done giving, it's time we start to restore the profession now that the 8 major airlines have merged into 4 and fuel prices have crashed.

Yep and Yep----no give on scope----EVER

Are you the same individual that debated with me over the treatment of the AirTran pilots by SWA management and SWAPA? Was it you along with a few others stating the great culture of SWA and your industry leading contract as the primary reason for such poor treatment of those AirTran pilots? What happened?

Stand your ground on the Scope.

Gary Kelly the anti- Herb