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Sr. Barco 09-19-2015 11:07 AM

Swa ta
 
Well, it's finally here. Let's discuss it. I'm a solid NO vote. Here's the short list why:

1) Weak bonus. Really? $16,000 for a topped out Captain!? The company is buying BILLIONS in stock and they can only give us $125m for a bonus? It needs to be doubled.
2) Weak 401k match. It's only 10% and it's a match. The other 3 legacies are getting a 15-16% contribution.
3) International codeshare relief which gives swapa the ability to waive protections in the contract. I don't trust SWAPA

What are you voting?

27 driver 09-19-2015 11:48 AM

Hell no

Woodbourne23 09-19-2015 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by Sr. Barco (Post 1974898)
Well, it's finally here. Let's discuss it. I'm a solid NO vote. Here's the short list why:

1) Weak bonus. Really? $16,000 for a topped out Captain!? The company is buying BILLIONS in stock and they can only give us $125m for a bonus? It needs to be doubled.
2) Weak 401k match. It's only 10% and it's a match. The other 3 legacies are getting a 15-16% contribution.
3) International codeshare relief which gives swapa the ability to waive protections in the contract. I don't trust SWAPA

What are you voting?

Good synopsis. To use Delta as a measuring stick, I believe they voted down theirs mostly because it was a trade. Pay raises for tougher profit sharing metrics. Feel free to correct me dal guys

What SWA is proposing is taking our code share( only they really know what that's worth) for 1.6% annual raises, sub market rate retirement and at risk profit sharing.
The best thing about this TA is how easy it is to select No as my vote

Burton78 09-19-2015 12:17 PM

Pretty simple. Section 1 gutted, 401K match increase of .7%!, Raises less than COLA and abysmal Reserve improvements... I think you know my answer.

Sr. Barco 09-19-2015 12:30 PM

Oh and then there's this:

Memorandum of Understanding
It is hereby understood and agreed, by and between Southwest Airlines Co. and Southwest Airlines Pilots’ Association, that upon ratification of the Parties’ new collective bargaining agreement, the Parties through their designated representatives will initiate a joint study of the feasibility of an alternative automated bidding system. Upon completion of their joint study, the designated representatives will make recommendations to their respective organizations.

Looks like PBS in disguise to me.

WHACKMASTER 09-19-2015 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by 27 driver (Post 1974958)
Hell no

Hell ****!ng NO!!!!

WHACKMASTER 09-19-2015 12:43 PM

I'm fairly confident that it'll go down, but I just hope it goes down in a huge ball of flames (a la the FA 87% NO vote) so as to send a message to management that they're not even close to offering what we'll accept.

Then once it does it's time to start pulling out the USA Today ads and start punching them in the eye. The biggest thing we have going for us is a management that is ultra sensitive to bad press about their precious airline.

Burton78 09-19-2015 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by Sr. Barco (Post 1974990)
Oh and then there's this:

Memorandum of Understanding
It is hereby understood and agreed, by and between Southwest Airlines Co. and Southwest Airlines Pilots’ Association, that upon ratification of the Parties’ new collective bargaining agreement, the Parties through their designated representatives will initiate a joint study of the feasibility of an alternative automated bidding system. Upon completion of their joint study, the designated representatives will make recommendations to their respective organizations.

Looks like PBS in disguise to me.

I forgot about that. This TA is so riddled with concessions, I cant recall them all during my short hunt for Easter turds. Not a fan of the multiple subsets either in regards to scheduling flexibility.

Window_Seat 09-19-2015 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Sr. Barco (Post 1974898)
Well, it's finally here. Let's discuss it. I'm a solid NO vote. Here's the short list why:

1) Weak bonus. Really? $16,000 for a topped out Captain!? The company is buying BILLIONS in stock and they can only give us $125m for a bonus? It needs to be doubled.
2) Weak 401k match. It's only 10% and it's a match. The other 3 legacies are getting a 15-16% contribution.
3) International codeshare relief which gives swapa the ability to waive protections in the contract. I don't trust SWAPA

What are you voting?

I'd say #3 should be your #1 reason. Those worms will never go back into the can.

Tankerhead 09-19-2015 02:44 PM

You had me at no.


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