Thx for the info.

Thanks...I think...

You can preach all you want but when guys don’t have the info until a week prior to class and some less, there is not much time to prepare.
They used to send out a cd. Now its just access to a website, with no panels to learn flows, etc. you can just read about them.

If that's the case then no, that isn't correct. A guy should have at a minimum two weeks and ideally at least a month to start looking things over.

And not to defend them but this is Spirit. You have to buy/bring your own coffee in training. You have to buy your own uniforms. They would just as soon kick you in the teeth than give you a hand. This place is the lowest of low and for the life of me can't understand why anyone would come here or even stay here. I don't know anyone here that isn't in some way looking to leave and move on. Even senior (10+ year) guys/gals are looking to dump this place like a bad habit.

I wish I could say that this place has potential, future, blah blah blah but I can't even muster that level of optimism anymore.

If you want to come here then good luck but one might look at all the rats jumping ship before signing on as a new deckhand.

The reasons on why someone may choose to come to Spirit are different from you, me and the other guy.

In my personal experience, I have flown with very senior guys who are happy with Spirit. I’m sorry to say, I have not flown with anyone that shares your opinion. Yes they all agree on various issues that will improve this place. But overall, the guys and ladies I have flown with are content, and thats not to say they don’t want better.

It's not like the 'Bus is exactly classified. There is plenty of material available for study out there.

Which airline's flows do you recommend new hires study before showing up?

Yeah guys, what's the problem? Just Google it!

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Jesus christ are you serious?

Lol. What a joke

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Exactly

I didn't necessarily mean flows, I was more talking about systems, automation philosophy and the like. There is plenty of material available out there for that. For example, there is an oral exam video from UAL that I, for one, found very helpful. SmartCockpit - Airline training guides, Aviation, Operations, Safety has all the systems stuff. I'm not saying NK couldn't do more to help new hires, my point is more that one can prepare him/herself better, should one so desire. Now, I'll fully admit to being somewhat of an airplane nerd who's spent time on smartcockpit just for fun, but still...

That is terrible, this idea.

To the contrary, I rarely fly with anyone who is content and most are looking to move on. Everyone recognizes the toxic moral that comes from the constant operational failures, lack of contract, and poor customer treatment. Concerns for the future too. You can only run a crap operation for so long before it backfires, ala Ryan Air's recent implosion.

Really dude? The COMPANY should provide the new hires with the appropriate content and ample time for them to study prior to coming. Scratch that... the company should provide new hires a realistic timeline and training structure starting on their first day of training that allows success without studying prior to starting class. Stop being a d-bag and making excuses for this place.

The moral isn't all that bad here. I actually enjoy working for Spirit. Yeah the contract negotiations are frustrating and we deserve a lot more pay but that will come. I and others do not want to go to United, Delta, etc. Don't follow all the doom and gloom from frustrated internet warriors. Go out and actually talk to Spirit pilots. Yes training is intense but study and you will do fine. I wish our management could run this airline like Southwest and that is my dream that this place could be the future Southwest.

Ok first of all, SPIRIT WILL NEVER BE SOUTHWEST....... EVER.


Also, based on the morale comment, im not sure we work for the same airline lol

I agree with chimpy on this one. You also lose credibility with a handle like gravy choker. But the moral comment is where your WAY off! I'm a pretty "happy-go lucky" kinda guy yet my moral is in the toilet right now, as is every pilot I fly with........

Yea and the company is gonna crack just you wait! Any day now!

Why's the moralE in the toilet when you'RE doing so much winning?

Do people lose credibility if they have a hard time composing an error free sentence?

He's not very "happy go lucky" either. He's one of the biggest A holes on here.

Maybe a little. Spirit has historically hired pilots, not English professors. Now they hire warm bodies.

You’re an English professor if you’re proficient in 7th grade vocabulary and grammar? How the American education system has gone down the tubes!

When I got hired six years ago we all had a very optimistic outlook for the future and few or none of us had any intention of leaving. This management has turned this airline a complete 180 and destroyed any possibility of a bright future. It’s heart wrenchingly sad but we are past the point of no return. They have run a **** poor operation, crapped on the consumer and never valued they’re key labor groups. Believe me in time it will bite them in the keaster. The best thing you can do... LEAVE! Out of principle for my family and well being regardless of the contract outcome I will leave. First chance. This is gonna happen every five year during negotiations with Bobby barely keeping the airline running in between. I’ve been at three properties including two regionals prior to Spirit. The regionals were light years ahead of Spirit from an operational standpoint. At this point it doesn’t matter how junior or senior you are or what your w2 said last year, if your 55 or younger... you should LEAVE. JB is one of the worst human beings I’ve ever met and that’s saying a lot.

Get troll boy switching accounts and arguing with himself. Give it up man! Nobody cares what you think.

Wow. Allegiant also has a reputation as cheapest of the cheap, yet…

30 says ground school + 10 SITs (FTD) + 5 sims + check ride.
free coffee in training center
uniforms paid for
Hotel with kitchen in training, paid for
rental car, paid for
Newhires make ~$57/hr from day one (paid guarantee in training).
Wash out rate nearly non existent.
Over 1000 qualified applications on file.

Sounds like sprit management needs to up their game. Their model doesn't sound sustainable long term.

Hey guys not to hijack your trend. Question though. Aside from what your going through which I think we can all agree is terrible I want to apply to spirit and get out the regionals. Which I think we can all agree is as bad as it gets. My question is, what are the total time of your FOs getting hired? Is it around the 2k mark or are you still getting higher time peeps? Thanks guys/ gals.

Jesus christ are you serious?

Hey man, you may think I/we may be crazy for coming but compared to a lot of us (TSA,GJA, CPZ, XJT, ETC) at least you guys can pay some bills and not fly 6+ legs a day. I just wanna get your takes on it.

Our NewHire Failure rate hovering above 5%
 

If I could go back in time, I wouldn't have come here from my regional. My regional had better health ins and better ltd, oh and a better training program....


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These are the problem people we hire! Same guy would vote for PBS! Did you completely mis what the hells going on or just don't care? Come on over! Take an unsat!! Roll the dice you might just get fired too!

First year at Spirit? you wont be paying any bills.......

Depends on the regional I think.

Unless you're some sort of broken toy, the big four should be calling most applicants within a couple years... regional TPIC might expedite that.