Our NewHire Failure rate hovering above 5%
 

Nice job management.

Wasting valuable resources hiring those who have no business flying an Airbus.

When I was hired it was less than 1% now it's almost 10x that.

Not only are we paid below IA but we have to babysit some F/Os who barely got by and are confused when the thrust goes to Idle and they try to maintain level Flight in an Open Descent.

God help us all when one of these guys bends and airplane. I'm sure Bumbling Bob forgot to mention this to Wall st on the call.

Curious to where you are getting these numbers? Now are you talking about washing out, or are they just failing a ride and then passing it on the second try?

So, are you saying that our training department is releasing guys to the line that aren't prepared or qualified?
Just curious.

Oh nooo, this number isn't including guys who Bust an event and continue on.

This is guys that WASHOUT

this is how bad it's gotten.

FUPM

I heard M.O. Got fired! Any truth to this?

I think Resigned is the PC term, lol

He resigned. The new hire DTW chief pilot is going to be director of training.

Of course he is, he's been here all of 3 months, why not.

thanks Yuri!

I'm sure it was just a coincidence that he was hired as DTW CP and is now taking over as DT. Does he even live in DTW? I'm sure the old DT was given the "Thanks for Playing" speech. I'm excited to learn the "new" way of flying the Bus. Yeah!!! New Profiles a Callouts!!!

If the new guy wants to implement "real training" like AQP, instead of the box checking training that we currently have, I will welcome the new guy, even if he's been here for 3 months. Wait.... We work for cheapo wings.....:rolleyes:

MO had a seniority number. Why resign when you can just go get that sweet gravy

As long as Jyrinal is here, we will never see AQP.

It's a good thing the new guy has a seniority number. It's going to come in handy someday.

Of the ones I know of first hand it's a mix, prior to SIMs, in the SIMs and in OE.

AQP implies your have a real training program! We don't train, just check boxes. OE is when you get your training.

I was in training with J.W., DTW CP. We had several discussions on how to improve the training program. He has some very good ideas. I think he would be extremely beneficial to the training department just from hanging out with him. He's a good guy. My Uncle worked with him at Eagle for two decades and has nothing but good things to say about him.

What does the newhire training schedule look like?

Indoc to Type Ride in about 1.5 months. Only 2-3 day breaks here and there. Little to no opportunity to go home and also not likely to be in CASS for a good portion of that time frame.

That's appendix H, and not AQP, right?

No AQP at Spirit.

Indoc
Systems mixed into CBT/FTD events
Oral Exam
4 Sims
Type Ride from the Left Seat

I flew with him about 2 months ago. He was a really nice guy. He is a very smart guy. He was basically in charge of switching Eagle from the old way of training to AQP. He will be an asset for our training department, especially if Spirit will let it get switched over to AQP.

1st 2 weeks of 10 hr days with 1 day off in between. Then 9 CSI (Systems Integration) with days off varying. Sched change quite a bit due to same reasons flights are cancelled, lack of instructors and big demand on schedule. 4 FTD and 4 Sims with a checkride.

We had a guy hired to that. And have had some other people with great ideas come through the department. They are ultimately minimized and then let go. Here's to hoping this is different.

After going through everything and getting to SIMs, is 4 sim session enough to say "you're signed off" or is there a little struggle till the last sim? Just curious

The Company locks you out of CASS so you're NOT going home unless you live local!! You are not an employee till you pass OE!!!

Technically you are an employee while in training because you can be terminated.

We were employees on day 1 although on training pay. We were in cass after the 1st week and several people took the risk and went home during a 3 day break. Doesn't mean it didn't suck and was the worst training I have been through. Maybe they changed it in the last few months.

You can't travel as an employee on Spirit, no insurance or benefits for 90 days. They don't enter you into CASS, they don't consider you an employee. You're in training and NOT actually an employee. :eek:

They may have changed it because they can't fill classes!!!

4 sims and then released to OE? No LOF, or line sim? Your poor Line Check Airman. That's stressful, especially given some of the airports you fly into.


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Poor line CKA's? How about poor line Capt's that have to do ojt all the time but don't get the instructor override.

You do 4 SIMS, and they take your Type Ride. After that you do a loft, then got to OE for 30hrs min.

You do get a LOFT, but it's pretty basic and just one event before pounding em' on with passengers aboard.

Agreed. That's not a lot of real world training for new guys/gals. Type ratings don't equate to safe -121 ops. Good luck when flying with new hires--they'll need your mentorship!

Best to y'all during contract negotiations. Fly safe, keep the blue side up, and try not to let tough negotiations talk enter the cockpit, thereby distracting you during important phases of flight. Cheers!


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Although going home is discouraged during training, this above statement is not true anymore, maybe in the past. I'm in 3rd week of training in CASS already. It has to do when they finish their background check. Some of us received an email that our backgrounds were complete and others have not.

I was in CASS a week after starting training and went home after the second week if memory serves.

If any training days are lost for any reason, power outage, illness, hurricane, then the lost training days are taken from any weekend days off so you'll do 6 or more continuous days of training, and may end up with a checkride or oral exam at the end of a 6 day work week with very early morning or very late night schedule.

If you request relief, the training department will say "all students whine, so stop whining", and if you press them, they'll say "when your instructor says you need to re-do any portion of training or are on the verge of failing, then we *might* consider taking away another of your days off so you can get another training event."

And then you get a sim with the hatchet and decide at least for a while that you might be better off at Mesa after all, a temporary sort of insanity but real nonetheless.

Quoted for truth. I got the hatchet for 4 CPTs/FTDs (2 of them solo) and 2 sims with a seat filler as a new hire. Good times...

Never heard of an initial type program with 4 Sims. Wonder how they got the Feds to sign on.

Pretty much the same as it was at my previous carrier. Best thing one can do is dig into the study packet once it arrives at your door.

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All true but if you're not an employee how is it guys get terminated? If you're just a contractor at that point they can't actually fire you and they actually do fire people and they have to carry that around.