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RonnyK320 05-09-2017 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by Drofdeb (Post 2360669)
Was off several days in a row, exactly zero calls. What work action? This was deliberate on the company's part. We should sue them for work action :p

The MEC is looking for proof that they didn't call everyone, please email the MEC and tell them.

I agree, we should counter-sue. Their incompetence caused a meltdown, and it would have happened without APC or the SPACHOKER's website.

I hate to do it, but I'm gonna start applying the the big 3 and Fed Ex and UPS. It's just going to get worse around here.

gringo 05-09-2017 02:16 PM

If you've been off for multiple days in a row during this meltdown and have not received a single call from scheduling, make sure you get in touch with your ALPA rep. They would very much like to hear from you.

snackysmores 05-09-2017 06:55 PM

There should be a counter suit.

Pilots (even en-mass) who decide to all of a sudden not pick up open time cannot determine causality for a work action.

The weather is getting nicer, people value their time off more during this period of the year, or whatever you else you can think of.

The company is filing their lawsuit based on a false dichotomy: "Pilots aren't picking up open time as much, therefore job action." When you challenge the premise, there is no longer any argument. Any intelligent judge should be able to see this.

Scumbags.

Trowserchilli 05-09-2017 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by snackysmores (Post 2360862)
There should be a counter suit.

Pilots (even en-mass) who decide to all of a sudden not pick up open time cannot determine causality for a work action.

The weather is getting nicer, people value their time off more during this period of the year, or whatever you else you can think of.

The company is filing their lawsuit based on a false dichotomy: "Pilots aren't picking up open time as much, therefore job action." When you challenge the premise, there is no longer any argument. Any intelligent judge should be able to see this.

Scumbags.

Time will tell.
Hopefully they can't prove or don't sue for damages.
AA was awarded 45 million from the APA. More than the union could afford.
Nearly half was paid back and the balance forgiven in the form of new contract concessions.
Best of luck.

bogietrim 05-09-2017 07:33 PM

Not a Spirit guy, but support you guys 100%. We (ABX Pilots) were sued last fall by the company for not flying on days off. The judge ruled in our favor on that one. We were never instructed by anyone in our union not to fly overtime.

FLYBOYMATTHEW 05-09-2017 07:35 PM

We weren't instructed that we had to fly overtime either as I understand it, only that there couldn't be a concerted effort to not fly overtime.

Wanderlust 05-09-2017 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 2360888)
We weren't instructed that we had to fly overtime either as I understand it, only that there couldn't be a concerted effort to not fly overtime.

One does not have to fly overtime, one simply may not suggest that others not fly overtime. If the majority of pilots happen to come to the same personal conclusion (whatever that may be), then it is coincidental, and not the fault of the union or those members that have reached said conclusion of their own volition.

Ed Force One 05-09-2017 08:11 PM

As I see it, it's a bunch of posts by random people hiding behind screen names.

"Internet toughguys," "Keyboard Warriors," "Trolls." Just a few names they can be called. Can a lawsuit be won against Internet Trolls?

Tranquility 05-09-2017 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 2360911)
As I see it, it's a bunch of posts by random people hiding behind screen names.

"Internet toughguys," "Keyboard Warriors," "Trolls." Just a few names they can be called. Can a lawsuit be won against Internet Trolls?

How do we know that it was indeed a Spirit pilot and not a member of management laying the seeds for this mess??

SUX4U 05-09-2017 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 2360920)
How do we know that it was indeed a Spirit pilot and not a member of management laying the seeds for this mess??

According to a pilot friend over there, the geniuses on some WhatsApp chat groups help put they theory to rest with their direct harassment and intimidating comments being broadcasted regarding those picking up open time. Just the little that I was told sounded pretty bad.

I really hope you guys won't suffer too much due to the actions of a few absolute bone heads. Your pilot group deserves better than this.


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