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gsphuntr 05-09-2017 09:22 PM

I hope the fact that your scumbag management has publicly blamed a majority of your cancellations on "weather" crosses the judges bench... what a joke. Vote of no confidence on these scum bags.

awax 05-11-2017 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 2360911)
As I see it, it's a bunch of posts by random people hiding behind screen names.

"Internet toughguys," "Keyboard Warriors," "Trolls." Just a few names they can be called. Can a lawsuit be won against Internet Trolls?

For anyone to think there is anonymity on the internet is a joke. Any such post can be distilled and positively identified.

For the Spirit pilot's benefit, I hope that many of the inflammatory posts are from strangers. An interesting twist in the TRO is that it's levied against all ALPA represented pilots. That may or may not be an over site.

Ed Force One 05-11-2017 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 2362067)
For anyone to think there is anonymity on the internet is a joke. Any such post can be distilled and positively identified.

Of course. And we all know that. Yet internet trolls still exist, even on APC. (Shocking, I know.)

Here's the difference: And please correct me if I'm wrong.

These past campaigns that are mentioned in the same breath as our "alleged" campaign... These were not done on Social Media. These "harassments" had to be done IN PERSON! In the crew rooms, in the jetways, in the terminal. TO YOUR FACE! AirlinePilotCentral, Whatsapp, etc, did not exist to give the Trolls the ability to harass others from their computers.

I don't see how a message board, which anyone can join, anyone can post, and anyone can troll, pilot or not, can be held to the same standards.

filejw 05-12-2017 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 2362216)
Of course. And we all know that. Yet internet trolls still exist, even on APC. (Shocking, I know.)

Here's the difference: And please correct me if I'm wrong.

These past campaigns that are mentioned in the same breath as our "alleged" campaign... These were not done on Social Media. These "harassments" had to be done IN PERSON! In the crew rooms, in the jetways, in the terminal. TO YOUR FACE! AirlinePilotCentral, Whatsapp, etc, did not exist to give the Trolls the ability to harass others from their computers.

I don't see how a message board, which anyone can join, anyone can post, and anyone can troll, pilot or not, can be held to the same standards.

I forget what union was involved but in one of "campaigns " all the company had to do was show that pilots had not been picking up open time at the same rate the company was historically accustom with . Court found that the union was in violation for whats called "status ".
FYI the only underground movement I have ever seen really work was NWA's BOB. BOB was an acronym for Block or Better. Jr guys started it, flew and taxied around real slow..Got management attention for sure .It was all word of mouth.

sailingfun 05-12-2017 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 2362216)
Of course. And we all know that. Yet internet trolls still exist, even on APC. (Shocking, I know.)

Here's the difference: And please correct me if I'm wrong.

These past campaigns that are mentioned in the same breath as our "alleged" campaign... These were not done on Social Media. These "harassments" had to be done IN PERSON! In the crew rooms, in the jetways, in the terminal. TO YOUR FACE! AirlinePilotCentral, Whatsapp, etc, did not exist to give the Trolls the ability to harass others from their computers.

I don't see how a message board, which anyone can join, anyone can post, and anyone can troll, pilot or not, can be held to the same standards.

It certainly was in the case of Delta. Emails and message board posts were the companies prime evidence. The judge did agree the no overtime campaign was not union sponsored in any way but ruled the union had a duty to control its membership.

FAULTPUSH 05-14-2017 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2362560)
It certainly was in the case of Delta. Emails and message board posts were the companies prime evidence. The judge did agree the no overtime campaign was not union sponsored in any way but ruled the union had a duty to control its membership.

The underlying message is that if ALPA can't or won't control its members, the court will give the company the ability to do so (i.e. terminations).


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