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putzin 05-09-2017 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH (Post 2360439)
...and therein lies the irony. The %#tards that advocate this work action are playing into the company's hands. THEY are the ones who are delaying getting a new CBA, which is EXACTLY what the company wants.

But hell, if it makes you feel like you're sticking it to the man, go right ahead.

You are 100% wrong.

You cant delay something that wasn't really moving forward in the first place. We are still miles and miles apart (1.1 billionish) and there will be little to no difference in the time frame. That's the beauty in this debacle.

Besides that, this is nothing more than people tired of working on their day off for 70% less than industry standard. This problem is company created, exacerbated by bob and his big mouth, and now the company has to live with it.

I don't care what an injunction would say or how much the union pleads, I still wont be working on MY day off for far less than my peers make. This isn't a sick out or slow taxing intentionally harming the company. This is simply not working more than I have to, enjoying MY time off.

It's not a job action, it's common sense. But by all means, please feel free to ULCC yourself out, no questions asked.

CBreezy 05-09-2017 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 2360462)
You are 100% wrong.

You cant delay something that wasn't really moving forward in the first place. We are still miles and miles apart (1.1 billionish) and there will be little to no difference in the time frame. That's the beauty in this debacle.

Besides that, this is nothing more than people tired of working on their day off for 70% less than industry standard. This problem is company created, exacerbated by bob and his big mouth, and now the company has to live with it.

I don't care what an injunction would say or how much the union pleads, I still wont be working on MY day off for far less than my peers make. This isn't a sick out or slow taxing intentionally harming the company. This is simply not working more than I have to, enjoying MY time off.

It's not a job action, it's common sense. But by all means, please feel free to ULCC yourself out, no questions asked.

And you don't have to. You just can't threaten or shame someone who does work on their day off.

awax 05-09-2017 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 2360462)

I don't care what an injunction would say or how much the union pleads, I still wont be working on MY day off for far less than my peers make. This isn't a sick out or slow taxing intentionally harming the company. This is simply not working more than I have to, enjoying MY time off.

After seeing this scenario play out at brand x, I'd offer a friendly suggestion that if your CBA allows you to decline an assignment when offered, just say "I decline the assignment" or whatever verbiage is expected when you decline.

The not so subtle nuance is when guys decline the assignment and then offer crew scheduling (on a recorded line) a dissertation on why they're declining the trip. If pressed, the answer is "because it's my day off and I have other plans", although that would be a generous answer, it's actually none of the companies business why you don't want to work on a day off. Caller ID is wonderful thing.

Whatever the reason, the net effect is the same, right?

putzin 05-09-2017 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2360469)
And you don't have to. You just can't threaten or shame someone who does work on their day off.

And I never have.

putzin 05-09-2017 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 2360470)
After seeing this scenario play out at brand x, I'd offer a friendly suggestion that if your CBA allows you to decline an assignment when offered, just say "I decline the assignment" or whatever verbiage is expected when you decline.

The not so subtle nuance is when guys decline the assignment and then offer crew scheduling (on a recorded line) a dissertation on why they're declining the trip. If pressed, the answer is "because it's my day off and I have other plans", although that would be a generous answer, it's actually none of the companies business why you don't want to work on a day off. Caller ID is wonderful thing.

Whatever the reason, the net effect is the same, right?

I agree with this. I still can't believe some of the things guys said on a recorded line. If you answer, either say "yes" or "no", just as when you call in sick, css is not entitled to the why. Only the company is and that's after they formally ask.

Anyway, we can argue until the cows come home, but it's now irrelevant. What's done is done, I'm off until the end of the first week in June, back to my leisure time.

Lunch Box 05-09-2017 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 2360470)
After seeing this scenario play out at brand x, I'd offer a friendly suggestion that if your CBA allows you to decline an assignment when offered, just say "I decline the assignment" or whatever verbiage is expected when you decline.

The not so subtle nuance is when guys decline the assignment and then offer crew scheduling (on a recorded line) a dissertation on why they're declining the trip. If pressed, the answer is "because it's my day off and I have other plans", although that would be a generous answer, it's actually none of the companies business why you don't want to work on a day off. Caller ID is wonderful thing.

Whatever the reason, the net effect is the same, right?

Bingo, what he said... Remember, you have your bothers names on those documents with the court, agree or disagree, it's was just made personal.. Follow the unions lead, and it will get worked out one way or another, we all know it's been a nightmare never ending carnival ride, but eventually they'll tap out..

Lunch Box

NYGiantsFan 05-09-2017 01:04 PM

I have an idea!! How about getting a new contract with pay rates equal to your competitors so people would like to go to Spirit and then staffing wouldn't be an issue... I just thought about that just now all by myself!! LOL Another thing I am thinking about all by myself is that if all the other airlines out there getting these big contracts paying alot more than Spirit for the same work would tell me by my "common sense" that everyone will go work for those competitors and leave Spirit causing even more staffing issues eventually hurting the investors bottomline!!! But, im just a pilot and thinking outloud right now... what do I know right? LOL

ColdChicken 05-09-2017 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by NYGiantsFan (Post 2360623)
I have an idea!! How about getting a new contract with pay rates equal to your competitors so people would like to go to Spirit and then staffing wouldn't be an issue... I just thought about that just now all by myself!! LOL Another thing I am thinking about all by myself is that if all the other airlines out there getting these big contracts paying alot more than Spirit for the same work would tell me by my "common sense" that everyone will go work for those competitors and leave Spirit causing even more staffing issues eventually hurting the investors bottomline!!! But, im just a pilot and thinking outloud right now... what do I know right? LOL

Frontier is a competitor, so you're saying you want your pay in line with theirs? You guys and gals have a very long and ugly road ahead of you good luck.

NYGiantsFan 05-09-2017 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by ColdChicken (Post 2360648)
Frontier is a competitor, so you're saying you want your pay in line with theirs? You guys and gals have a very long and ugly road ahead of you good luck.


LOL... you know what I mean, every airline has gotten pay raises with their contracts. I'll spell it out for you then... UAL, DAL,AA,SWA and yes even Allegiant have gotten very nice raises and I would consider them competitors flying similar routes. Common sense will tell you that most people will do their best as they currently are right now to go to those airlines paying more than double to fly similar routes on same aircraft! As you can see as those airlines have gotten massive pay raises, people are making Spirit the bottom of their current list of potential places to work. If Spirit was the only one hiring then yes management would have some more leverage, but you know this is not the case. I hope you understand now what I meant to say before.... Its plain simple, people just wont go to Spirit if they can get a job making more flying same equipment, same routes.


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