Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)

- Spirit (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/spirit/)

- - Union response (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/spirit/103018-union-response.html)

Curiously, Bob's compensation package does not seem to fit squarely into the ULCC model.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdChicken (Post 2360648)

Frontier is a competitor, so you're saying you want your pay in line with theirs? You guys and gals have a very long and ugly road ahead of you good luck.

This road will end very bad for the company. It's safe to say every FO has apps out and half the CA list. They won't be able to hire or retain pilots if they drag their feet too long. With the growth they have planned. They won't be able to staff it. Fast upgrade is gone, and if they delay orders, I can't imagine anyone coming here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2360848)

Hey Mr first post ever/ford and Harrison/spirit manager

That's essentially what they just proposed and it's a nonstarter. Allegiant is having major buyers remorse knowing they will be stuck with that nonsense into 2024 when the big four start renegotiating agin in 2019.

Allegiant also doesn't fly the same routes as us

Remorse?? Gonna be hard to find a tear over at allegiant when you can clear well over 300k now. Its not delta but theres enough bling, bling to go around.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OpenClimb (Post 2360880)

I'm lurking over here because I'm trying to follow the injunction proceedings, but if you'll allow me to interject... with regard to the "peers" comparison or my goals regarding "industry standard" pay and work rules, I consider any pilot in the US who flys a jet carrying between 150 to 230 passengers to be my peer.

My Company's business plan is irrelevant to me. If a Legacy A320 pilot makes $xxx per hour, why in the wide wide world of airlines should I make less because the management at my airline has decided on a *MORE* profitable business model?

Sorry for the intrusion, but I always bristle when I see posts that seem to accept the notion that the Ultra Low Cost portion of ULCC must also apply to pilot wages. FWIW, I'm sure management would agree with this notion. :-/

A welcome intrusion. This is the way we need to be thinking.

Good job boys next round is on me...less money less go...let that be a lesson for managnent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crxpilot (Post 2360913)

Remorse?? Gonna be hard to find a tear over at allegiant when you can clear well over 300k now. Its not delta but theres enough bling, bling to go around.

If theyre happy that's fine. We do mostly overnight trips and not day trips. If Allegiant ever decided to go that route with the current contract the pilots will see earnings drop and qol vanish in an instant. Also, that $300k is only possible for the top longevities also working well above an industry standard amount of block per month. I don't want my industry standard compensation predicated on working 90+hrs of block per month when the industry is mid to upper 70s. Either way retirement is subpar. The difference between 5+5 and a straight 16% is millions over a career especially at below industry standard rates. The united contract comparison release about a month ago proves this beautifully.

Bottom line is that Allegiant has better "pay" than spirit right now but there is no way I'd sign that same deal given the current industry and the 2019 negotiation timeline for the big 4. Lest we forget Jetblue and VA/AK negotiations happening at this time which I fully expect to be industry standard deals.

If we don't get it in this cycle we never will and if we don't recruitment is toast and the spirit growth plan we just be words on a paper. An industry standard contract is a must for us and them they just haven't come to realize it yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfwflyboy (Post 2360899)

I got hired at Three airlines around the same time. I have a lot of good friends at Spirit. I didn't know anyone at B6 but I hooked my cart to It anyway.
When I thought about getting stuck in the right seat...(anything can happen) ...could I survive at Spirit and live comfortably.
Trust me we got our problems it's not all blue skies...but at least we have all the blue poweraid we can drink during recurrent;)
I don't know how management gets outta this one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beans (Post 2360796)

I hope you dont honestly think you are going to get UAL or DAL type contract and money. Those contracts are decades in the making and are a completely different Airline than Spirit or even Frontier or Allegiant. I think if you look at the new Allegiant contract that is whats coming. The hourely rate bost will have work rule sacrafises mark my words!!!

Total nonsense.

UAL, Delta, American, SWA,

This is what a pilot costs. If you want to operate an airline, expect to pay the going rate.

Does Spirit pay less than Delta for an A320? Does Spirit get a case of Coke for less than United? How about Spirit getting a tug for less than American.

Anything less than parity is a NO.

Go spirit pilots!

This Mesa pilot is behind you 100 %