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Originally Posted by NYGiantsFan
(Post 2360680)
LOL... you know what I mean, every airline has gotten pay raises with their contracts. I'll spell it out for you then... UAL, DAL,AA,SWA and yes even Allegiant have gotten very nice raises and I would consider them competitors flying similar routes. Common sense will tell you that most people will do their best as they currently are right
now to go to those airlines paying more than double to fly similar routes on same aircraft! As you can see as those airlines have gotten massive pay raises, people are making Spirit the bottom of their current list of potential places to work. If Spirit was the only one hiring then yes management would have some more leverage, but you know this is not the case. I hope you understand now what I meant to say before.... Its plain simple, people just wont go to Spirit if they can get a job making more flying same equipment, same routes. |
Originally Posted by Beans
(Post 2360796)
I hope you dont honestly think you are going to get UAL or DAL type contract and money. Those contracts are decades in the making and are a completely different Airline than Spirit or even Frontier or Allegiant. I think if you look at the new Allegiant contract that is whats coming. The hourely rate bost will have work rule sacrafises mark my words!!!
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Originally Posted by Beans
(Post 2360796)
I hope you dont honestly think you are going to get UAL or DAL type contract and money. Those contracts are decades in the making and are a completely different Airline than Spirit or even Frontier or Allegiant. I think if you look at the new Allegiant contract that is whats coming. The hourely rate bost will have work rule sacrafises mark my words!!!
You have to really make it worth people's time to fly over-time. I have passed on 3k overtime trips if it doesn't work out for me. I may reconsider the time-value calculus for more money. On the other hand, it's all about the staffing. If you have lots of uncovered trips when the schedules are published who do you think is going to fly them? And still on the other hand, if you don't fight for what you want, you won't get it. The mandatory reading email that ALPA sent out had to be sent. Message sent, message received. |
Originally Posted by Justmeagain
(Post 2358716)
I know it sucks and guys are frustrated, but cooler heads need to prevail.
You can buy a nice ice chest to stick your head in with that big fat pay raise that the Spirit pilots are owed. The more money, the cooler the head. |
Originally Posted by Beans
(Post 2360796)
I hope you dont honestly think you are going to get UAL or DAL type contract and money. Those contracts are decades in the making and are a completely different Airline than Spirit or even Frontier or Allegiant. I think if you look at the new Allegiant contract that is whats coming. The hourely rate bost will have work rule sacrafises mark my words!!!
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Originally Posted by Beans
(Post 2360796)
I hope you dont honestly think you are going to get UAL or DAL type contract and money. Those contracts are decades in the making and are a completely different Airline than Spirit or even Frontier or Allegiant. I think if you look at the new Allegiant contract that is whats coming. The hourely rate bost will have work rule sacrafises mark my words!!!
Hey Mr first post ever/ford and Harrison/spirit manager That's essentially what they just proposed and it's a nonstarter. Allegiant is having major buyers remorse knowing they will be stuck with that nonsense into 2024 when the big four start renegotiating agin in 2019. Allegiant also doesn't fly the same routes as us |
Originally Posted by ColdChicken
(Post 2360648)
Frontier is a competitor, so you're saying you want your pay in line with theirs? You guys and gals have a very long and ugly road ahead of you good luck.
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Originally Posted by Beans
(Post 2360796)
I hope you dont honestly think you are going to get UAL or DAL type contract and money. Those contracts are decades in the making and are a completely different Airline than Spirit or even Frontier or Allegiant. I think if you look at the new Allegiant contract that is whats coming. The hourely rate bost will have work rule sacrafises mark my words!!!
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I'm lurking over here because I'm trying to follow the injunction proceedings, but if you'll allow me to interject... with regard to the "peers" comparison or my goals regarding "industry standard" pay and work rules, I consider any pilot in the US who flys a jet carrying between 150 to 230 passengers to be my peer.
My Company's business plan is irrelevant to me. If a Legacy A320 pilot makes $xxx per hour, why in the wide wide world of airlines should I make less because the management at my airline has decided on a *MORE* profitable business model? Sorry for the intrusion, but I always bristle when I see posts that seem to accept the notion that the Ultra Low Cost portion of ULCC must also apply to pilot wages. FWIW, I'm sure management would agree with this notion. :-/ |
I agree wholeheartedly. An argument could also be made that Spirit is one of, if not the most profitable airlines in the U.S. based on scale, so they can certainly afford it.
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