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Bwipilot 05-11-2017 08:07 AM

And it seems that you're stuck with a "very" intelligent judge:


According to a source,

This Judge apparently also put a "cease and desist" order to the Spirit Pilots against...,

Wait for it...,

- Writing Up Maintenance Items In The Log Book.

- Calling In Sick.

- Calling In Fatigued.

- Refusing To Fly Voluntary Open Time.

Yup, this going to fix everything.

You just cant make this sh*t up!

Xtreme87 05-11-2017 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Bwipilot (Post 2361910)
And it seems that you're stuck with a "very" intelligent judge:

Pilot: I have a write up, there is oil leaking from the right engine...

Mx control: What did the judge JUST tell you guys about writing stuff up??

Pilot: Ok fine, nevermind. Ready to board!

WHACKMASTER 05-11-2017 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2361914)
Pilot: I have a write up, there is oil leaking from the right engine...

Mx control: What did the judge JUST tell you guys about writing stuff up??

Pilot: Ok fine, nevermind. Ready to board!

Seriously. What the flying **** kind of country do we live in when a judge has the audacity to "order" a pilot to fly broken airplanes, fly sick or fly fatigued. Again, just throw the tea in the harbor and flip them the bird. That's ridiculous and has got to stop.

R3360 05-11-2017 08:25 AM

Not sure how the court can "order" you to not call in fatigued?! Or like the above said, "MX write ups?"

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. Scary stuff!

I wish there was a way ALPA could get ALL of us to picket or something in support of this debacle.

So sorry fellas! Hang in there

Bgood 05-11-2017 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2361922)
Seriously. What the flying **** kind of country do we live in when a judge has the audacity to "order" a pilot to fly broken airplanes, fly sick or fly fatigued. Again, just throw the tea in the harbor and flip them the bird. That's ridiculous and has got to stop.

So the judge wants to go against Federal regulation. Last time I check its the PIC that has the final authority to say whether an aircraft is airworthy. NOT someone in a robe sitting in a court room. Fatigue ->> what's the purpose of obtaining knowlegde of fatigue every year but can no longer make a true fatigue callout or sick. Last time I check it was part of IMSAFE checklist which is part of aeronautical decision making. What's the purpose of Chapter 17 (ADM - correct me if im wrong) in the PHAK. What have I been learning since student pilot days?

I wonder what the FAA has to say about that? 🤔🤔

WHACKMASTER 05-11-2017 09:05 AM

To put it bluntly: *I love Unicorns* the judge and his opinion on airworthiness, fatigue, sick, etc. I'm not a NK employee but if I was I'd basically ignore what his Highness has decreed from behind the bench. The audacity!

Dukeuno 05-11-2017 09:06 AM

There was one big word that was left out of the ALPA email: "Concerted". It is in the actually order that the Judge put out that this basically cant be a Concerted effort by the pilot group. You can call in sick if your sick, but you cant call all your buddies and have them all plan a big sick out. You can write up ACs if they are broke, but you cant call all your buddies and have them go and just write stuff up to hurt the operations.

WHACKMASTER 05-11-2017 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by Dukeuno (Post 2361962)
There was one big word that was left out of the ALPA email: "Concerted". It is in the actually order that the Judge put out that this basically cant be a Concerted effort by the pilot group. You can call in sick if your sick, but you cant call all your buddies and have them all plan a big sick out. You can write up ACs if they are broke, but you cant call all your buddies and have them go and just write stuff up to hurt the operations.

I'd have to question your union on why such an important and applicable word was left out.

symbian simian 05-11-2017 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Dukeuno (Post 2361962)
There was one big word that was left out of the ALPA email: "Concerted". It is in the actually order that the Judge put out that this basically cant be a Concerted effort by the pilot group. You can call in sick if your sick, but you cant call all your buddies and have them all plan a big sick out. You can write up ACs if they are broke, but you cant call all your buddies and have them go and just write stuff up to hurt the operations.

But the problem is it will be the company decision if it is a "concerted effort ". This is the same company that started the injunction after failing to adequately the staff transition period ( LAS reserve grid days were green with minus 6 coverage), forgive me but without an independent arbitrator monitoring the company against pressuring the pilots into flying BWF (Broken aircraft While Fatigued) I am not happy.

Bgood 05-11-2017 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Dukeuno (Post 2361962)
There was one big word that was left out of the ALPA email: "Concerted". It is in the actually order that the Judge put out that this basically cant be a Concerted effort by the pilot group. You can call in sick if your sick, but you cant call all your buddies and have them all plan a big sick out. You can write up ACs if they are broke, but you cant call all your buddies and have them go and just write stuff up to hurt the operations.

This is a very important word...this only means --> keep doing what you doing just don't plan it as a group lol lol
Disclaimer: I'm not an employee at Spirit.


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