History Repeats?
05-08-2017, 01:49 PM
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History Repeats?
Injunction. Think it can't happen?
United, American and Delta pilots have all tried this playbook before. Illegal job actions have resulted in courts siding with management, taking away major bargaining chips from their respective pilot groups.
Think pilots can't be cited as individuals, and left hanging in the balance of negotiations?
Ask the Delta 49ers. 49 pilots who were shown to have engaged in a "no overtime" campaign to include harassing/intimidating other pilots (as has been happening on this site.) Personal computers/records were seized by court order. At Delta we still see the effects of this episode every time we check another pilot's schedule - everything is timestamped and made visible to discourage such intimidation.
There are several threads (and specifically several posters) on this forum that are attracting attention beyond what you may think. Your anonymity is easily unmasked, especially those with extensive posting history here. Every login and post leaves a fingerprint that can be turned over with the stroke of a judge's pen. Subpoena is a powerful hammer.
I applaud and support your efforts to succeed in these negotiations. I only come here as a warning to stop any illegal behavior before it puts you and your pilot group in jeopardy.
Best of luck.
In unity,
Delta49er
United, American and Delta pilots have all tried this playbook before. Illegal job actions have resulted in courts siding with management, taking away major bargaining chips from their respective pilot groups.
Think pilots can't be cited as individuals, and left hanging in the balance of negotiations?
Ask the Delta 49ers. 49 pilots who were shown to have engaged in a "no overtime" campaign to include harassing/intimidating other pilots (as has been happening on this site.) Personal computers/records were seized by court order. At Delta we still see the effects of this episode every time we check another pilot's schedule - everything is timestamped and made visible to discourage such intimidation.
There are several threads (and specifically several posters) on this forum that are attracting attention beyond what you may think. Your anonymity is easily unmasked, especially those with extensive posting history here. Every login and post leaves a fingerprint that can be turned over with the stroke of a judge's pen. Subpoena is a powerful hammer.
I applaud and support your efforts to succeed in these negotiations. I only come here as a warning to stop any illegal behavior before it puts you and your pilot group in jeopardy.
Best of luck.
In unity,
Delta49er
05-08-2017, 02:38 PM
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Posts: 409
I appreciate the post and absolutely think some guys have crossed the line, however this meltdown is 100% on management.
That may or may not matter, I don't know, but what I do know is block hours have increased and staffing has GONE DOWN. It's pretty simple math. Throw in delayed IOT, Red/Green SNAFU and typical transition and this is what Happens.
That may or may not matter, I don't know, but what I do know is block hours have increased and staffing has GONE DOWN. It's pretty simple math. Throw in delayed IOT, Red/Green SNAFU and typical transition and this is what Happens.
05-08-2017, 02:48 PM
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 497
I wish you guys good luck if they do take you to court. I hope you guys prevail. Especially considering what I've read about it being on them.
I'm sure we at F9 aren't too far behind you. Nothing is above these management groups. As long as they get their millions.......
I'm sure we at F9 aren't too far behind you. Nothing is above these management groups. As long as they get their millions.......
05-08-2017, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta49er
Injunction. Think it can't happen?
United, American and Delta pilots have all tried this playbook before. Illegal job actions have resulted in courts siding with management, taking away major bargaining chips from their respective pilot groups.
Think pilots can't be cited as individuals, and left hanging in the balance of negotiations?
Ask the Delta 49ers. 49 pilots who were shown to have engaged in a "no overtime" campaign to include harassing/intimidating other pilots (as has been happening on this site.) Personal computers/records were seized by court order. At Delta we still see the effects of this episode every time we check another pilot's schedule - everything is timestamped and made visible to discourage such intimidation.
There are several threads (and specifically several posters) on this forum that are attracting attention beyond what you may think. Your anonymity is easily unmasked, especially those with extensive posting history here. Every login and post leaves a fingerprint that can be turned over with the stroke of a judge's pen. Subpoena is a powerful hammer.
I applaud and support your efforts to succeed in these negotiations. I only come here as a warning to stop any illegal behavior before it puts you and your pilot group in jeopardy.
Best of luck.
In unity,
Delta49er
United, American and Delta pilots have all tried this playbook before. Illegal job actions have resulted in courts siding with management, taking away major bargaining chips from their respective pilot groups.
Think pilots can't be cited as individuals, and left hanging in the balance of negotiations?
Ask the Delta 49ers. 49 pilots who were shown to have engaged in a "no overtime" campaign to include harassing/intimidating other pilots (as has been happening on this site.) Personal computers/records were seized by court order. At Delta we still see the effects of this episode every time we check another pilot's schedule - everything is timestamped and made visible to discourage such intimidation.
There are several threads (and specifically several posters) on this forum that are attracting attention beyond what you may think. Your anonymity is easily unmasked, especially those with extensive posting history here. Every login and post leaves a fingerprint that can be turned over with the stroke of a judge's pen. Subpoena is a powerful hammer.
I applaud and support your efforts to succeed in these negotiations. I only come here as a warning to stop any illegal behavior before it puts you and your pilot group in jeopardy.
Best of luck.
In unity,
Delta49er
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