Is retro compensation taxed at the same higher rate that bonus pay is taxed at, or is at at your usual income tax rate?

It does matter. Even if it's a signing bonus that is the exact same dollar amount as 100% Retro, it still matters.

It's about setting a precedent. For all future negotiations for all Pilot Groups. It's about making 100% Retro industry standard.

If it's labeled as a "signing bonus," then the concept of signing bonuses continue to be industry standard. In the future, managements can offer whatever sub-standard bonuses they want, because that's the way it's always been done. Were NK pilots happy with their previous signing bonus? I wasn't here yet, but I get the impression that you weren't. Were all you ex-regional pilots happy with your signing bonus after a prolonged 5-8 year negotiation and whipsaw process?

If Retro becomes standard, then more pilot groups can demand it with less pushback from the company.

Why is this so hard to understand?

That retro word makes people feel all cozy inside. I can take a dump in a box and mark it "retro". Believe me, I've got spare time.

In all seriousness I'll buy the precedent argument.

This right here!! These additional dates are only a dangling carrot! They want it to look like they are trying to knock this contract out. Watch the speed of negotiations screech to a halt when summer peak ends. They want us to believe in this good faith move so we can get them over the hump. I'm not buying it.

They keep saying they want to close the negotiations up so that we can finally have the contract we deserve. Well, the ball is in their court. They know our terms. Sign the damn thing already.

Couldn't agree more! They could close the contract out very fast but the company has no desire to do so. You'll see the next meeting will be back to usual. :cool:

$50 hr/ Raise for 2 years (72 guarantee) would be $86,400 per pilot. Throw in what? Anther 50k for retro retirement and profit sharing. $136,400 per pilot plus $50,000 year raise seems highly plausible

STOP NEGOTIATING IN PUBLIC!!!!

That isn't nearly enough for most longevities. You need to delete your post.

Industry standard! Ask +! Not a penny less! The negotiating committee speaks for the group

It seems obvious that flyguy2002 started this thread with the intention of baiting our pilots.

Thats some fine trolling.

Not trying to troll; its been requested multiple times by guys, yourself included, to not negotiate in an open forum.

Edit: I don't know his real intentions so I should not have said it that way.

I agree with the concept of it being easier for pilot groups to ask for retro in the future if it becomes the norm. My current issue is the guys who have been working back door contractually illegal deals getting another huge paycheck after they have been screwing the rest of us for months. We have no ability to trade trips because they get released from reserve days to get MUP and JA. Line holders can't get a JA because they won't release us from trips anymore. So these guys and gals bid reserve, call scheduling because they are not allowed to be on the standing avail list, and screw up the reserve grid for all of us to drop or trade any trips. And they get a huge check? That isn't right.

Why do all of you insist on coming onto APC and first, feeding the company mountains of evidence to be used against us in court, and now negotiation in public and potentially screwing up our next contract? Do you all live in your mom's basement and just can't help but go home and talk about work on the internet?

Companies loath paying retro due to the corporate tax complications.

Can someone answer a question for me? This is not flame I actually need some clarity. Our last "ask" stated a 2% retro pay back to the amendable date of Aug 1,2015. 2% of what? Also, bear with me here I've never worked under a trip or duty rig at any of my three carriers. Can someone explain our ask of a 3.5 to 1 trip rig? Thanks

This.^^^^

You all must have some kind of self-destructive personality traits if you can't resist posting about this stuff at this point. The truly insane part is you all KNOW management and their lawyers read this. It really is mind blowing.

Call your rep or ask the next guy you fly with, and pleas don't negotiate on a public forum.

Not sure how that's negotiating... it's asking a definition of an industry standard language rule... but whatever you say...

I am reminded why this forum is such a joke... your all so clueless and detached from reality... I'm reminded why I don't waste my time on here...keep telling yourself your informed by your emails and what some jacka$$ says on APC... joke

You're right but it opens up the forum for more questions and ultimately negotiating. The NC can easily answer any of these question for you with a quick email.

Their email and any committee's is easy to find at www.spirit.alpa.org or through your Alpa smart phone app in the committees tab.

If that was directed at me and my "Why we need retro" post, I genuinely do not think that I am negotiating in public. In fact, if you were to search my back posts, I too have said many times "Don't negotiate in public."

I'm simply stating that we need to do our part to make retro Industry Standard. (And to see how many times I can use the word retro, apparently.)

I'm reminded that if I use your and you're incorrectly I'll sound like an idiot

Confucius say,"he who frantically corrects grammar errors on APC needs to get laid" or layed either way who gives a $h/t

Just read the latest email from the SPSC. The phrase "Cautiously Optimistic" comes to mind. And we all know what that translates to.

At least 2 more years of negotiations?

Nonsense

Delta paid full retro.

All managements must learn delaying and not negotiating in good faith will not work.

Full retro is a must.

+1

Filler........

Delta paid one year of retro. Weren't they amendable for about a year and a half before they signed the 2nd TA.

Hawaiian paid full retro I believe

We got full retro to the amendable date.

The TA we voted down was 6 months early.

I'm not an accountant or CPA but, what corporate tax implications? If they have increased costs to offset their earnings....they pay less taxes. The reason they hate paying retro is it decreases earnings and thus, decreases the Earnings per share number which affects the stock price negatively and decreases their net worth.

Fixed it for ya

Initial contracts don't get retro pay...

Thanks for the correction. Good to know.

I think the Miami air thread is posted on the wall of ladies room. I'm sure you'll find your way

Since * Hercbubba*obviously sit down to *fly* I'll say it again! Initial contracts don't get retro pay...hercbubba* is a hard thing to tell in a chat room, so I figure I'll probably have to tell you a third time! *Hercbubba!!*

I assume this is a merger hint.
?......

What's your point with initial contracts? We currently have a contract that is amendable.

I read it as "The first offer we are presented will not have retro. If we vote it down, perhaps they will come back with a second offer that has retro."

Thank Ed Force One...that's what I meant. I could have said it more clear, so that's on me...I still don't think it warranted that ladies room remark though!

Sorry

Didn't know you were actually serious with the little xxxx comments. I certainly don't take it personally. It is the internet

So, if we are adequately staffed with the highest reserve level in the industry, why do I have to work on my day off?