You would think p-bob would learn how to ****.

This guy is playing with us folks.. just another threatening letter to delay negotiations which to be honest means nothing anymore..progress is complete crap..They need to put out a contract..

That is an excellent question.:confused:

I took that email as a threat. Cover all the open trips or we will cancel negotiations again.

I took it more as a cry for help. Not that that's any better.

Is definitely the question of the day! I think Bob would be better off simply zipping it! There's always a part of me that would like to bite on the b.s. yet: "fool me once shame on you, fool me ten times (yes I'm slow and too trusting) shame on me"!

I have a question also.......is there any pilot here that has actually had conversations with Bob? As he stated "in talking with many of us" is how he learned of our theory of understaffing attributing to lack of coverage. Are you sure you didn't read it here Bob?!

My wife read the email and also thinks he addresses us as mindless children.

I really love the way he spins things as if he's giving us the key to the city. "we demonstrated our commitment last week by adding add'l bargaining days" "need you to demonstrate your commitment". Gotta be honest.....(again he should just zip it), I now am slighting towards the idea he's dangling a carrot to get us through the summer. Hope I'm wrong.

I have an idea......if your really concerned of covering all the trips, how about 200% for all open time for the summer. I guarantee all open time will disappear!

Exactly! I seem to recall the same amount of crappy trips in OT last summer . Why would anybody want to pick up undesirable trips at below industry straight pay on YOUR DAY OFF?? I have never flown for straight pay on my day off and I'm not gonna start now. FUPM!

Emphasis added by me: 200% in the form of a new CBA. Otherwise, it's lipstick on a pig. Don't be so easily duped.

Exactly, 200% for straight pickups is not in the contract and would be a violation for them to offer. That would have to be an LOA to the current contract or language in a newly ratified CBA

My wife also read the email and without me saying anything she said she's never head a management group talk down to their employees as much as ours does to us.

Disclaimer: This was her unsolicited opinion and may or may not be fact

I understand and agree. I was more going at it from a hypothetical standpoint......knowing this will never take place anyway. Really counter to their typical method of manipulation instead. At brand x (not during negotiations) in heavy times they would offer temporary premium pay. Here they don't even want it negotiated into the contract! Rather just continue to coerce.

Agreed. I should've been more clear that I didn't mean you expressly.

It was more of a generalization that we (all of us) shouldn't accept anything less than a new CBA representative our contribution to the operation and commiserate our peers. A "bail us out, premium pick-up" during negotiations isn't gonna cut it.

So they just called me AGIAN for open flying out of Chicago tomorrow on the only weekend I got on my crappy relief line that was only built to 69 hours. What happened to all that flying they were talking about?

I took a junior assignment once thinking I could make enough money to buy a riding lawn mower but when I got paid I only made enough to buy a push mower. Now I have to spend all weekend pushing it around. If I had made enough to buy a riding mower I'd have time to come to work on my days off. Besides, I'm going to the 40th anniversary celebration of Smokey and the Bandit tomorrow. Hoping to meet Hot Pants Hilliard.

And what's going to happen if there does end up being a bunch on CX's over the holiday transition? This email sounds like they're just setting up the rationalization for another temper tantrum if they don't get what they want. Like a little kid threatening to pick up his ball and go home.

It has been reported (several times) that there is a TRO issued against Spirit pilots, and some of the justifications used in court were direct quotes from pilot forums, such as this.

While the role of the Moderator is to encourage good-natured (even if "spirited" :rolleyes:) debate and/or discussion on a variety of aviation topics, (within the guidelines that APC has established), it does not normally include matters of law.

However, since free internet webs cannot screen users for common sense, or just "how to not be a public idiot," I am closing this thread out of caution to prevent further company actions.

It seems some people can't help repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot, by shooting off their mouths.

Start a new thread if you like. But if any post smells of an illegal work action, that poster will be banned.....and the thread closed again.

Be smart. Lawyers are sneaky.

And I sincerely hope you get a good contract.