Just stop, seriously.

This^^^^^. Actually we this should have been done back about 6 months ago. Also I think we need a vote of no confidence in this management group.

actually, why don't you leave pop-a-boner before you get us sued again

None of what we want will happen, at least not for awhile. The MEC has already stated they don't want to upset the mediator and given the currrent administration, a mediator is not going to jeopardize their position by releasing us.

You have 2 choices:
1. Leave
2. Be patient..

That's it.

Is English a second language for you?

I think the "be patient" train left the station a few months ago. We're all allowed to be upset and disappointed at this point. I for one would like to see what managements proposal was, but I'm sure that's never going to happen.

There's nothing to see. They offered raises to keep us in the bottom tier. That's enough details for me. I don't want to see anything that's not ratifiable and ratifiable is industry standard. We've asked for that and that's what's being negotiated. Management is proposing ultra low cost pilot. If that's what you want I think Allegiant and Frontier are hiring.

Allegiant got raises and retirement to place them right back at the bottom of this round of bargaining which is probably the best negotiating climate in most all of our careers. You either get it now or get it never. They cemented themselves at the bottom. That's not going to change in the next cycle. They start doing multi-day trips and that place is going to empty out.

Frontier is in a bankruptcy contract and they will have to go on strike to get a dime from Franke.

We are not these airlines and if this is going to be a career destination we need to negotiate a career contract and that's what the negotiating comittee is asking for. If we want a stepping stone contract we need to go work at a stepping stone. Most of us want to make this a career.

Btw we could have an industry leading contract and still crush the legacies in profit margins.

I am encouraged that additional bargaining dates weren't added. Hopefully that means if an agreement cannot be reached in the next 3 bargaining rounds (weeks, whatever you want to call them), the NMB might take it to the next level. And, that'll be 1 year in mediation by the end of August....

nope. does being a condescending alpa trip dropper who never wants to fly come easy for you???

unfortunately the anti labor national mediation board considers 1 year to be a starting point. there is a long way to go before the nmb will issue a release. think of the one year point as the first trimester of human gestation, you still have two more trimesters to go, eg 2 years.......