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Acehole 08-04-2017 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2404802)
Two boards in one city and ads in a newspaper. Are newspapers still a thing? It's better than nothing but I want billboards in every one of our cities and trucks making laps 24/7 until a contract is signed.

I have to agree with this.....

putzin 08-05-2017 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2404756)
Recall the entire MEC and LEC leadership. This will remove all the named parties from the TRO. Start over by playing smart instead of tough. Our entire leadership is hogtied by the TRO. Until then, I'd start applying elsewhere.

Only if we're iced, then yes, definitely.

Qotsaautopilot 08-05-2017 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 2405118)
Only if we're iced, then yes, definitely.

Did you ever think we might get iced not because of our negotiators but because the company isn't coming up in any meaningful way? I sure don't want our negotiators coming down that's for sure. I'm not going to boot negotiators for doing exactly what we've asked them to do. I want a deal but not one just to get one. It has to be industry standard. This contract is 7 years old and I expect the next one will be too and I'm living with crap for that long just to get it done now. We've asked for an affordable industry standard deal and they want a low tier deal. And who says we're getting iced we just got this mediator.

Hawaiian got iced and then a deal came. You get iced and turn up the media campaign to the max and watch the attrition reach numbers never seen before

putzin 08-05-2017 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2405385)
Did you ever think we might get iced not because of our negotiators but because the company isn't coming up in any meaningful way? I sure don't want our negotiators coming down that's for sure. I'm not going to boot negotiators for doing exactly what we've asked them to do. I want a deal but not one just to get one. It has to be industry standard. This contract is 7 years old and I expect the next one will be too and I'm living with crap for that long just to get it done now. We've asked for an affordable industry standard deal and they want a low tier deal. And who says we're getting iced we just got this mediator.

Hawaiian got iced and then a deal came. You get iced and turn up the media campaign to the max and watch the attrition reach numbers never seen before

We'll discuss it in September.

Right now I wear my green and support them, but not forever.

dfwflyboy 08-05-2017 11:08 PM

Meanwhile...the SWA window is open! Contract is still a year away here

4fun 08-06-2017 03:02 AM

As I heard a guy say the other day, Spirit pilots will get the contract "they vote for".
Puts it in the pilots lap for sure.

TerrainOnND 08-06-2017 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by dfwflyboy (Post 2405406)
Meanwhile...the SWA window is open! Contract is still a year away here

A year? Wow, that's what I call optimism!

BillyBaroo 08-06-2017 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2405385)
Did you ever think we might get iced not because of our negotiators but because the company isn't coming up in any meaningful way? I sure don't want our negotiators coming down that's for sure. I'm not going to boot negotiators for doing exactly what we've asked them to do. I want a deal but not one just to get one. It has to be industry standard. This contract is 7 years old and I expect the next one will be too and I'm living with crap for that long just to get it done now. We've asked for an affordable industry standard deal and they want a low tier deal. And who says we're getting iced we just got this mediator.

Hawaiian got iced and then a deal came. You get iced and turn up the media campaign to the max and watch the attrition reach numbers never seen before

I thought if the company does not come to the table with meaningful progress, the mediator starts the 30 day clock? Not getting iced is what I thought when the labor side does something to irk the mediator.

Super EZ E 08-06-2017 08:08 AM

Update your apps and get ready to Strike! Here comes the strike vote!! :cool:

Planepirate 08-06-2017 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by BillyBaroo (Post 2405506)
I thought if the company does not come to the table with meaningful progress, the mediator starts the 30 day clock? Not getting iced is what I thought when the labor side does something to irk the mediator.

That's what I thought. Seems like getting iced would be exactly what management would want to see happen. However, supposedly Hawaiian was iced and then they got a contract a few months later. Idk


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