Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 2425024)

When Spirit Pilots signed their contract Airways TOP AIRBUS PAY was $125/hr., CALs first year pay was $29/hr with no healthcare........

Try again

Originally Posted by Beans (Post 2426003)

How about you try again. CALs first year pay was that but look at the rest of the annual pay scals in that contract. Look at all the soft money and retirement. I love how certain folks at Spirit compare one piece of a contract and say hey we were great at one time. That place was never great and will never be great thats just the facts of being at a ULCC especially one ran by Bendo. Will you get a raise? For sure. Will it be withen 35% of a legacy pay package as a whole? Absolutely Not. Every pilot in at least the last 5 years hired at Spirit has no room to talk. They knew the pay when they were hired and how it stacked up to others flying the same routes and equipment. I agree with what the other poster said above. You guys are willing to fly the same equipment for less and have undercut the rest of the industry in the process. You are doing the same thing in many ways as Norweigan just on a domestic scale. One of the biggest reasons Spirit is able to staff is bc of their willingness to hire folks that are not competive to be hired at a major. I see a tone of 2,800-3,200 hour pilots with no turbine PIC getting hired. These youngsters are trying to jump the line instead of staying and upgrading at a regional. I know many of them and going to Spirit has become a big mistake and they will tell you that. I also know a bunch went to Spirit bc their "gremlins in the closet" wont let them get hired at a major.

Originally Posted by flyguyniner11 (Post 2426008)

You lost me at 'tone'

Originally Posted by Beans (Post 2426003)

How about you try again. CALs first year pay was that but look at the rest of the annual pay scals in that contract. Look at all the soft money and retirement. I love how certain folks at Spirit compare one piece of a contract and say hey we were great at one time. That place was never great and will never be great thats just the facts of being at a ULCC especially one ran by Bendo. Will you get a raise? For sure. Will it be withen 35% of a legacy pay package as a whole? Absolutely Not. Every pilot in at least the last 5 years hired at Spirit has no room to talk. They knew the pay when they were hired and how it stacked up to others flying the same routes and equipment. I agree with what the other poster said above. You guys are willing to fly the same equipment for less and have undercut the rest of the industry in the process. You are doing the same thing in many ways as Norweigan just on a domestic scale. One of the biggest reasons Spirit is able to staff is bc of their willingness to hire folks that are not competive to be hired at a major. I see a tone of 2,800-3,200 hour pilots with no turbine PIC getting hired. These youngsters are trying to jump the line instead of staying and upgrading at a regional. I know many of them and going to Spirit has become a big mistake and they will tell you that. I also know a bunch went to Spirit bc their "gremlins in the closet" wont let them get hired at a major.

Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 2426037)

Completely fng wrong. CALS previous contract was complete ****. Spirit Pilots went on strike, to compare them to NAI is offensive.

Which US airline has the highest amount of SCABS? You guess it, UAL/CAL so GFY

Originally Posted by Beans (Post 2426065)

Keep telling yourself that you were on par with "those guys" years ago and you will see a similar "on par" but in reality well below par TA voted in. Remember Spirit has done a lot of hiring the last 4 years and most of those guys are going to take the quick buck bc they arent planing on staying for a career. Once again all these dudes/chicks hired especially in the past 4 years knew the pay and still jumped in. This staffed the growth and Spirit then dug its own pay deficiancy grave. Hell look they will "flow" pilots in now from the regionals and staff from that as well. You chose your airline now you have to live with your choice!

Originally Posted by Beans (Post 2426003)

How about you try again. CALs first year pay was that but look at the rest of the annual pay scals in that contract. Look at all the soft money and retirement. I love how certain folks at Spirit compare one piece of a contract and say hey we were great at one time. That place was never great and will never be great thats just the facts of being at a ULCC especially one ran by Bendo. Will you get a raise? For sure. Will it be withen 35% of a legacy pay package as a whole? Absolutely Not. Every pilot in at least the last 5 years hired at Spirit has no room to talk. They knew the pay when they were hired and how it stacked up to others flying the same routes and equipment. I agree with what the other poster said above. You guys are willing to fly the same equipment for less and have undercut the rest of the industry in the process. You are doing the same thing in many ways as Norweigan just on a domestic scale. One of the biggest reasons Spirit is able to staff is bc of their willingness to hire folks that are not competive to be hired at a major. I see a tone of 2,800-3,200 hour pilots with no turbine PIC getting hired. These youngsters are trying to jump the line instead of staying and upgrading at a regional. I know many of them and going to Spirit has become a big mistake and they will tell you that. I also know a bunch went to Spirit bc their "gremlins in the closet" wont let them get hired at a major.

Originally Posted by Beans (Post 2426065)

Keep telling yourself that you were on par with "those guys" years ago and you will see a similar "on par" but in reality well below par TA voted in. Remember Spirit has done a lot of hiring the last 4 years and most of those guys are going to take the quick buck bc they arent planing on staying for a career. Once again all these dudes/chicks hired especially in the past 4 years knew the pay and still jumped in. This staffed the growth and Spirit then dug its own pay deficiancy grave. Hell look they will "flow" pilots in now from the regionals and staff from that as well. You chose your airline now you have to live with your choice!