There is much more to being a ULCC than labor. Aircraft utilization for one and real estate for two. How the other work groups get paid is up to them. We negotiate for ourselves. Revenue will increase with an industry standard pilot contract and cost associated with IROPs will go down.

Feng,

Give me one good reason why you are here managing down our expectations and telling us who our "peers" are and how you think an airline cost structure works? As a pilot that isn't benificial to you in any way whether you work at spirit or not. If you work at a lobor busting law firm like ford and Harrison or are a member of spirit management I can see your motivation. You seemed to have clearly picked a side and I can tell you it's the wrong one.

And btw I am counting on full retro so it's safe to say it's more than one of us. Delta got it. Hawaiian got it. It's industry standard.

They can add a pilot happiness fee on the website for all care. FUPM

True that, but it's 2/1000's of a dollar, not a cent.

Yeah all that, but low labor cost is still one of the, if not the core principal of an ULCC business. Once there's a contract revenue will increase? What?

I'm not managing anything. In fact I couldn't care less how this turn out, though I do enjoy being right :) Last I checked this is an open forum for discussing industry topics. That's precisely what I'm doing. Talking about what I think will happen with your contract. You certainly have an opinion on this, though I think it's completely asinine. I'm just here to express mine.

Wow...."It's a free country and I got my 1st amendment rights" rebuttal....

The only thing missing is the "drop the mic" exit...

Hahaha! Math is hard!

So then Delta's pilots provide different services for every fare class in the plane right?

Senior mediator Pat Simms has defined our peer group as SWA, JetBlue and Alaska/Virgin during her first sessions with both parties.

Her opinion DOES matter.

Feng, your like a preacher in a brothel. You just don't belong! Why don't you go back where you came from and tell everyone else your fairy tales. [emoji482]

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

And I whole heartedly agree that her opinion is one of the few that actually does matter unlike the company's, your union's, mine, and yours, and everyone else on this board.

I can't verify the validity of your post of her opinion, it does seem to make sense. Mostly non mega domestic'ish airlines. Thought I don't know if she perhaps also mentioned the likes of Frontier, Allegiant, and Sun Country in there somewhere, because that would make sense also, but you just chose to omit them because it doesn't fit your narrative. Who knows if her opinion has changed since then, given the development that Sun Country recently announced that they're shifting towards an ULCC model as well.

By yeah, her opinion does matter.

And to Qotsa, just because you keep saying it, does not make it any truer. Full retro is simply not industry standard. In just about ANY industry. It sometimes happens, more likely when the negotiations were short and the amounts are small, but most don't for anybody. But keep counting though and that $1.5 million dollar check will be in the mail for everybody in about 7 years. :)