So following her logic, Southwest Airlines, jetBlue Airlines, Alaska, and Spirit Airlines don't directly COMPETE with Delta, United, or American.

I wonder if the management of those Airlines would agree that they don't directly COMPETE with the big three.

Does IGA directly compete with Kroger, Publics, and/or Walmart? Does Geico directly compete with State Farm, Allstate, and Progressive? Does Kia directly compete with Ford, GM, Toyota, and Chrysler? Does the neighborhood drug store directly compete with CVS, Walgreens, or RiteAid?

Apparently not, if we use the logic from Senior Mediator, Pat Simms.

But it's not hard to fathom the idea that a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE may not understand the concept of "competition".

Feng,

You realize that spirit not securing an industry standard CBA only hurts you as a pilot? Why lower expectations? I personally don't care what you or management or anyone outside this pilot group thinks because we are not going to ratify a deal that is not industry standard. The whole industry!

Scope, pay, retirement, LTD

He's a troll, that's why... The beauty of anonymous boards is that he can hide who he is. Management is trying to manage expectations and it isn't going to work. This place makes the shareholder too much money to let it go down. Even with a 45 million loss this summer, they still beat expectations. This place will pay industry standard, it's just a matter of time. Our ceo makes more than swa ceo, so I figure what's good for the goose....

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Qotsa

Nothing I say nor do will lower the expection of your pilot group. You clearly see that with all the Spirit pilots' postings right? Nor is that my intent. Not that anything anyone says on a online forum matters anyhow. I just enjoy chatting about predictions on the outcome. Your group, from what I can tell, is so galvanized that it will vote down anything but legacy rates, retirement ...etc good on you

In my opinion, as long as the nmb doesn't conclude that the company is unfairly forcing you guys to work for an unreasonably low market rate, they simply will not allow a strike no matter how long this drags on. I have a hard time seeing them allowing it, especially if Spirit offers a blended of Allegiant, Frontier, JetBlue..etc rates, which in itself is probably a substantial raise.

If you're allowed to strike GREAT ON YA, go get that $$$. I simply don't see that happening. If nothing terrible happens, in 10 years, Legacy NB CA could have rates of $350/hr and JetBlue at $310/hr. You'll still be topped out at ~$190 while refusing the company's offer of $315/hr because it's not "industry standard"

But hey, that retro check will be huuuuge.

Oh, and every month without a contract, you're the one doing the industry a disservice by being the biggest anchor of all the ships.

Who's to say this isn't management's plan to begin with?

Frontier and jet blue are in negotiations for a new contract and frontier is on a bankruptcy restructured contract. If their rates are used to "blend" then this thing is DOA with the spirit group and probably won't even get to a TA.

Also allegiant's contract is by far the worst of the recent contracts approved, that pilot group was desperate for raises and approved it the first chance they got. I'm pretty sure You won't see that happen at spirit.






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But that blend will still be a "substantial" raise, dude!!! :rolleyes:

This idiot has to be some type of management troll. I think its time for everyone to stop responding to him or her, and put him on your ignore list.

Agree

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Yes it will. Another testament of how we much we currently DONT make compared to what we should. 100% RETRO!!

I was talking to a Spirit guy on my jumpseat recently and we were discussing your 15-year longevity pay scale and Frontier's 14-year scale.

I don't want to get into the genesis of your 15-year scale or Frontier's scale. But since our airlines are the outliers in an otherwise 12-year longevity scale standard; do you know if your MEC is hard set on standardizing your longevity?

It seems like a logical last minute grab by our scumbag management groups to propose another 15, 16, 17 year longevity scale. Maybe it's a moot point, I don't know if ALPA would let that fly.