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PilotMechanic 11-26-2019 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by maximus101100 (Post 2930090)
I am studying for my class date (dec 9) and I heard they are working on new flows (yet again). How long does this process usually take?

They just swapped the roles on the ground. Flows are the same. Captain always PF on ground; Captain does PF Cockpit Prep and FO does Preliminary Cockpit Prep effective December 2nd. You should be fine.

Arliss 11-26-2019 04:59 AM

To confuse things even more, I believe the book says that while the initial powerup of the flightdeck is a FO task, it can be performed by the captain if he/she is the first to the plane. So basically, whoever walks on the plane first does that very first flow.

During training, the trainee in the captain seat will do the cockpit prep flow while the trainee in the right seat, who's PF for the "flight", does the FMS setup. We discovered it's a huge time saver and allows us to get off the gate in like 10 minutes.

Omniscient 11-26-2019 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Arliss (Post 2930098)
To confuse things even more, I believe the book says that while the initial powerup of the flightdeck is a FO task, it can be performed by the captain if he/she is the first to the plane. So basically, whoever walks on the plane first does that very first flow.

During training, the trainee in the captain seat will do the cockpit prep flow while the trainee in the right seat, who's PF for the "flight", does the FMS setup. We discovered it's a huge time saver and allows us to get off the gate in like 10 minutes.

That’s how it always was before this latest round of tinkering.

Thankfully it isn’t this complicated on the line; whoever gets there first does the PCP flow. Captain is back to doing the overhead flows and the box is done by the CA or PF, usually the CA while the FO is doing the walk.

So even though the change is annoying, it’s good they are moving is back

KCJake 11-26-2019 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by Arliss (Post 2930098)
We discovered it's a huge time saver and allows us to to be ready to get off the gate in like 10 minutes and then wait twenty-five minutes for boarding, bags, and the .Z.

Fixed that for you.

CAirBear 11-26-2019 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2930177)
That’s how it always was before this latest round of tinkering.

Thankfully it isn’t this complicated on the line; whoever gets there first does the PCP flow. Captain is back to doing the overhead flows and the box is done by the CA or PF, usually the CA while the FO is doing the walk.

So even though the change is annoying, it’s good they are moving is back

Good to hear it’s going back to how it was. I haven’t flown on reserve in 6 weeks now lol.

I remember flying the line after this change came out. I can’t tell you how many CAs I flew with, but not a single one changed anything.

I was usually the first one there so I did my “first to the plane” flow, then I would do the walk around and come back and do my usual stuff.

Even when it was “my leg” The CAs would still do their PF flow even though, technically, it was supposed to be done by the FO if it was their leg.

My gist was, absolutely no one on the line (except for probably a couple sticklers) changed a damn thing.

Omniscient 11-26-2019 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 2930194)
Good to hear it’s going back to how it was. I haven’t flown on reserve in 6 weeks now lol.

I remember flying the line after this change came out. I can’t tell you how many CAs I flew with, but not a single one changed anything.

I was usually the first one there so I did my “first to the plane” flow, then I would do the walk around and come back and do my usual stuff.

Even when it was “my leg” The CAs would still do their PF flow even though, technically, it was supposed to be done by the FO if it was their leg.

My gist was, absolutely no one on the line (except for probably a couple sticklers) changed a damn thing.

Haha..exactly. Every Captain basically filed the new changes under "sorry, no" and most of the FOs did too. So im glad they got the hint and are changing it back

symbian simian 11-26-2019 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 2930194)
Good to hear it’s going back to how it was. I haven’t flown on reserve in 6 weeks now lol.

I remember flying the line after this change came out. I can’t tell you how many CAs I flew with, but not a single one changed anything.

I was usually the first one there so I did my “first to the plane” flow, then I would do the walk around and come back and do my usual stuff.

Even when it was “my leg” The CAs would still do their PF flow even though, technically, it was supposed to be done by the FO if it was their leg.

My gist was, absolutely no one on the line (except for probably a couple sticklers) changed a damn thing.

Well, call me a stickler. I get paid to follow SOP, so I follow SOP. They change SOP, I follow the new SOP. Is it really that hard?

Omniscient 11-26-2019 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2930332)
Well, call me a stickler. I get paid to follow SOP, so I follow SOP. They change SOP, I follow the new SOP. Is it really that hard?

Do you also not adjust your seat until the FO was back from the walk around and both flight crew members are seated?

It’s new SOP, I assume you follow this

Shangri La 11-26-2019 01:48 PM

Eh I guess your mileage may very 98% of the captains I’ve flown with since the change had been attempting to comply with the I guess now old new change and alternating every leg

verlthepearl 11-26-2019 05:21 PM

I’m getting ready to come back from home study and start CSI’s. Any advice for this next phase? Areas to pay particularly attention to?
Also, when can you expect to have your background check done? Nobody in our class has them done yet but we’ve all had our info in for months already, just curious.
Thanks in advance.


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