Or saying push and start? We operate primarily in the USA where you don't call for start clearance. You just look like a douche if you call RAMP with that guys little script.

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I often forget what self absorbed, puerile a-holes airline pilots can be. Thanks for reminding me guys.

Sigh. Yes, a proper ramp control run by company won’t give a ****** about the current ATIS. I’ve noticed we don’t often have a proper ramp control at our stations. Sometimes its ground. Sometimes it’s tower running the whole show. Do you know who’s going to say something to you if you give them the ATIS letter and they don’t require it? Nobody. Or you can play cool 121 pilot, forget that it’s ground and add two to three more lines of communication. I did it the same everywhere. Nobody from ramp control, LCA’s, or CA’s jumped in to correct it. Because it’s fine. I know. That kind of simplicity irks the ****** out of a few of you. Probably because you’re a self absorbed, puerile a-hole. I used to make “courtesy calls” and brief the transition altitude too. The shock. The horror. We also never blocked the alley for inbound traffic, because ground was unaware we were pushing, and the different transition altitudes at foreign airports wasn’t forgotten either. Yes, even though we primarily operate in the US where everyone knows the transition attitude. Because the time it will bite you is on a red eye to a jungle destination you’re unfamiliar with and you haven’t thought about it in 6 months.

Oh Noes!!! Someone is worried about sounding like a douche on the radio!! Never figured out that the world isn’t staring at you eh? You are the douche on the radio if you sit there and roll your eyes when someone says push and start instead of push. Another thing that will never be corrected by anyone, because it doesn’t need to be. Or you can do it the way do it here in ‘Merica at all times and then get it wrong when you don’t fly in ‘Merica.

I’m a simple creature. I do it the same way every time. It keeps me from f’ing up more than I should. If you do it different then that’s fine. That’s called technique. If you’d like to point out in the AOM, FOM or FAR/AIM where any of the above is wrong then I’ll happily change my ways.

 

Study what they tell you to study and when to study it. Study with your sim partner to get a nice cadence down and limit group studying to around 4 people anymore than that it's basically useless study sessions. Other than that it's straight forward and their system works.

 

Is that like when you’re picking up your clearance from a non PDC airport and you say “IFR to Fort Lauderdale or Instruments to Fort Lauderdale”?

 

Having recently completed training, I can sum it up as:

a.) possibly one of the most challenging training programs in the industry. It’s a rapid grind.

b.) very accommodating. From the people in crew training admin to the instructors themselves, the dedication and willingness to make it as painless as possible, is clearly a priority.

To sum it up. Anyone with a good attitude and what it takes to be a pilot, will successfully complete the program. It’s pretty apparent that the whole thing is designed for students in the mid 20’s to mid 30’s with 2-4 years of past airline experience.

Yes, too much experience creates additional challenges.

 

Or when you say "any traffic in the area please advise" at an uncontrolled airport.

 

Or when they are holding short they say “Spirit 123, holding short runway 18, ready for IFR departure”

Bonus points: when they tell you to “hold short of taxiway ABC and contact ground,” you are more than welcome to contact ground before the CA comes to that exact spot, stops, and then has to get it going again. Love FOs who stay a few steps ahead, keeps us moving, so appreciated especially when brake temps become an issue.

 

Even if I have to contact ground for push I don't give them the ATIS. I give them the ATIS when we are ready to Taxi.

 

i think the point he was trying to make was who gives a s#!t

 

Well that's a convenient defense when caught doing something needless and pointless. Maybe I'll try that on my wife next time and see how well that works "well dear, who gives a ****?"