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Feng 01-17-2018 05:33 AM
Originally Posted by medeco (Post 2504701)
lol

I'll sit back and wait for facts, instead of assumptions.
Why wait for facts when you can wait for the truth a year from now when they implement it and see how they interpret the facts? :eek:

medeco 01-17-2018 05:36 AM
Originally Posted by Feng (Post 2504691)
What are we debating here? Someone asked what the company value the 4 days off provision at. In my opinion, it has little to value to them if with pbs, transition conflicts are gone and the 29/7 limit is gone. Because whether you have 4 days off or not in between, they’ll be getting plenty of work out of you the rest of the month.

The upside with losing 29/7 is that you can be more efficient, win for both sides, unless you play with conflicts a lot.

Not waiving your 4 days off may constraint your schedule wants, unless your want is strictly 5/6 on and 4 off. The company won’t care whether you waive it or not.
Which PBS system have you worked under? Why do you have zero faith in your CNC to not protect the QOL that every single pilot has said they want to keep at Spirit?

There is a huge value in the 4 days off, I'd bet money that had the CNC agreed to give that up for "industry standard" the pay rates would have gone up substantially per hour.

Feng 01-17-2018 05:49 AM
Originally Posted by medeco (Post 2504709)
There is a huge value in the 4 days off, I'd bet money that had the CNC agreed to give that up for "industry standard" the pay rates would have gone up substantially per hour.
I don't like assumptions.

medeco 01-17-2018 05:55 AM
Originally Posted by Feng (Post 2504719)
I don't like assumptions.
Ok, fair enough. Hah.

skytrekker 01-17-2018 06:05 AM
Originally Posted by Feng (Post 2504719)
I don't like assumptions.

There has been no mention yet of the plight of 29/7, you think it is gone.


And how does your calculation work if it is not?

What we know is that Red/Green remains, 4 days remains, JA language remains, deliveries of one AC a month continue, reserve coverage will remain above industry average but will drop from current high.

What is not known is the IROP / reschedule language.

Qotsaautopilot 01-17-2018 06:08 AM
Without 4 (5) days off language we have to have min 16days off per month. Without either one the majority of the lines will be 13 days off with the unproductive nature of our current route structure. 4(5) days off brings the average days off for the month.

Deathwish 01-17-2018 06:16 AM
Originally Posted by Feng (Post 2504719)
I don't like assumptions.
Every single post you make is an assumption.

Feng 01-17-2018 06:19 AM
Originally Posted by Deathwish (Post 2504741)
Every single post you make is an assumption.
follow the conversation

Deathwish 01-17-2018 06:21 AM
Originally Posted by Feng (Post 2504743)
follow the conversation
Follow the advice of the MEC and stop speculating until the details of the TA are published.

AllOva736 01-17-2018 06:29 AM
Originally Posted by Deathwish (Post 2504747)
Follow the advice of the MEC and stop speculating until the details of the TA are published.
I feel very strongly that he doesn't work here in the first place.


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