Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2502908)

Woah woah woah! Leave in-n-out alone! Mmmmm double double...

Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE (Post 2504927)

How would you pick up what was dropped due to TXR? There is a reason it dropped off, lol

Originally Posted by gatorbird (Post 2504814)

And how many negotiating cycles did it take for WN to get to their position?

Originally Posted by skytrekker (Post 2504735)

There has been no mention yet of the plight of 29/7, you think it is gone.


And how does your calculation work if it is not?

What we know is that Red/Green remains, 4 days remains, JA language remains, deliveries of one AC a month continue, reserve coverage will remain above industry average but will drop from current high.

What is not known is the IROP / reschedule language.

Originally Posted by Deathwish (Post 2504963)

But Southwest runs a good airline.

Originally Posted by dfwflyboy (Post 2504904)

for reference::

just got a trip rig example on my feb sched.

4 day trip: 3 duty periods, 65.25 TAFB, has 23:53 layover, so currently its 18:00 4 day

with new book, 5 hour average duty would be 15 hours. layover credit won't count since its not 24 (that blows), trip rig. 65.25/3.5= 18.64. so its worth .64 more hours than current book, however, the 24 hour layover kinda screwed me, would've been 20 hours. so expect the new book to be slightly better.

my last trip is 1 leg each day, for 4 days. 18:00 currently, will be 20:00 after 5 hour average day. TAFB is 70 hours, so 70/3.5=20 (same)

my other 2 trips would be block, so overall, I'd get about 3 hours extra credit with new book. My line is 74 credit now.

current book: 74 hrs*72=$5328, 15 days off, however first trip will be TXR so 19 days off YAY! :)

new book: 77 hrs*104=$8008, 15 days off, no TXR :(

lets say I picked up the EXACT 18:00 4 day that was TXR'd on current book, 92 hrs*72=$6624 with same 15 days off.
now JRM same trip. 74 hrs +36 jrm= 110 hrs *72=$7920


I'm about 50% of FO list, 2nd year pay. Granted this doesn't account for what I would've got with PBS, who knows. but overall its a $1500 raise each month for me. plus scope, plus LTD, plus 11%DC I imagine I can still drop/swap/ etc.

If anything, its worth seeing the difference, like I said, many unknowns with exactly what I'd get with PBS

OH..and these are all commutable.

Originally Posted by TicketP1 (Post 2504688)

I am suprised that no one here has mentioned our concession of schedule integrity. I know that it is "industry standard" for a company to be able to reassign you within your footprint but the company can't do that right now and it hurts them bad. I think this is as big or bigger concession than PBS. PBS helps them with the monthly operation but our rescheduling language will help them day to day. It would be a huge concession.

Originally Posted by NKSMCOTAKEOVER (Post 2504788)

Never thought I would say this but Feng was right...

Originally Posted by dfwflyboy (Post 2504860)

4 days off is useless with PBS. I'm in favor of PBS, you can get way better, customized schedules, Union will choose vendor which is huge. You guys that haven't worked under PBS yet will see that you will build your own schedule. 3 days off, 4, 5, whatever you want, YOU are in charge, not the company. so 4 days off is something we should've given away to get extra minimum days off. The company knows we "perceive" it as value, but it has none in the PBS world. Everyone will waive it, you'll see. To get the schedule you want, and trips you want, you'll do 3 days off this week to have 5+ next week.
We need to read the language and see the minimum windows each month, that will determine how well we can control our days off.

Originally Posted by dotslash (Post 2504968)

I see this thinking in other forum to. Pairing you have now can not be compare to new work rules. Company software will not build these pairings any more.